1 - you do not care if aliens exist. u probably do not care about the earth either.

2 - you do not THINK aliens exist. why not? is it because theres no hard proof available? what if the government has been hiding this hard proof for 50+ years ?

3 - you THINK aliens exist, but you do NOT think the government has done any cover-ups or knows about it. naive.

4 - you KNOW aliens exist, but dont know about government coverups

5 - You KNOW aliens exist, and you know the government is hiding information

i cant think of any other options, can you ?

6- you know aliens exist, and you think god has something to do with them

option 6:
i think aliens exist and i think the government is too busy with other shit to cover to bother with aliens.

I think the alien story is what they rather you believe.

The truth might be worse than alien cover-ups.

I'm sure aliens exist, on some planet, somewhere, given the size of the Universe.

However, I really, really doubt if they have conquered the massive technical difficulties required to travel such long distances, they will serially abduct people, shove probes up their bums, psychically commune with others, and mutilate a cow on the way home, and do this thousands of times.

^ My view exactly. There must be aliens, statistically. But they won't waste their time hanging around rural areas in the US in order to "probe" people who are clearly not representative of the highest of human endeavour and achievement!

Abduction and "probing" alien encounter stories come after It Came From Outer Space (1953). "Grays" appeared only after Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977). (Much to my disapppointment the aliens in Mission to Mars, Signs and the TV series Taken were all "grays". You have to turn to Star Trek for originality of alien design nowadays).

Plus why do they crash?
all this superior technology and they crash in a remote area of america.

The only thing that bothers me is crop circles,they are something where i dont know what to believe,cos either the people who do em are genius artists or its aliens.

So i useally would say the more likely,genius artists,i mean are you gonna tell me michelangelo was an alien?
i know for a fact i couldnt pull off the art he did(i do rely on knowing how to draw and pull of decent art being a tattooist),but that dont mean he must have been an alien or an alien involved.

Aliens constructed the sistine chapel apparently.LOL

I dont understand how people can second guess alien behaviour, what exactly would you expect an alien to do that visited earth? Why assume that they must follow the same customs, logic, and integretry of an average human?

Plus why do they crash?
all this superior technology and they crash in a remote area of america.


very true, ive thought about this as well. i think that Roswell was a planned 'crash' - planned by the aliens themselves to crash land. i think most genuine UFOs that crash are pruposefully crashed or gunned down by governments.

very true, ive thought about this as well. i think that Roswell was a planned 'crash' - planned by the aliens themselves to crash land. i think most genuine UFOs that crash are pruposefully crashed or gunned down by governments.

Well one of the theories is that the UFO was struck down by lightning, as during the time of the crash, there was a huge thunder and lightning storm going on in that area.

Besides, it doesn't matter how technologically advanced one is when it comes to flying, it comes to the skill of the pilot, heh. Even if their UFO is controlled by thought, there'd still be the few times the pilot screws up. Rare for us, rare for them.

- N

Option 7: I think it is very likely that aliens exist, but I do not care about it until I meet one in person.

option 8: we ARE aliens (except for the creator of this thread)

Option 9: They exist, but live in a galaxy far far away (and tend to hook up with long lost sisters)

10. They probably exist in our own galaxy, but pose no interest to me, if we're not able to interact with them.

11. Any Earth government<->alien conspiracy assumptions suck and aliens agree on that.

12. Aliens exist, but they don't think we exist. They're too busy minding their own cares.

The 13th Option

The bad ET’s know that they are cast down to the earth in only survival craft, and most crash land. The good ET’s that won that heavenly war seem to have earth as a basic NO FLY ZONE for bad ET’s now. They probably have a really shitty attitude them losers.
:D

Governments have hidden/corrupted many facts, the sciences have hidden/corrupted many facts and the religions have hidden/corrupted many facts.

There are people channeling these ET's that are here, creating grand stories; people having amazing dreaming they don't understand; people with physical, mental etc. anomalies.
The religions call these fallens ones angels, spirits, demons; the sciences call them bogus anomalies; governments don't call them, they sign surrender treaties with them; the military forces under these governments just follow orders, yes sir, no sir, how far do you want us to bend over sir, except maybe for Deluce.

It is impossible to have the number of whistleblowers that there seem to be, that are high ranking military, industry and civilian accounts of events without there being some factual base to all of this.
:D

option 8: we ARE aliens (except for the creator of this thread)

:(

why not me? i believe extra terrestrials had something to do with our inception as well. how else can we account for the missing links and evolutionary leaps we have found between apes, cavemen, and us?

fiery has a point - if theres thousands upon millions of people saying something... then you can bet your bottom dollars something is up. even if only 1% of all this paranormal/conspiracy/alien information is correct, then thats all it takes.

option 6:
i think aliens exist and i think the government is too busy with other shit to cover to bother with aliens.

I think the alien story is what they rather you believe.

The truth might be worse than alien cover-ups.

like what ? that Bush and his elites are actually reptilian aliens themselves bent on dominating the world and killing people for bloodlust and keeping everyone in fear to feed off their negative energy?

the government is too busy with other shit

like what? planning another fake terrorist attack on america to keep baby bush in office even though everyone in america hates him ?

fiery has a point - if theres thousands upon millions of people saying something... then you can bet your bottom dollars something is up.

By the same logic, we have a god. Do you believe in Allmighty?

people having amazing dreaming they don't understand; people with physical, mental etc. anomalies.

Like what? And who's to say we'll never find a good scientific explanation that has nothing to do with aliens? Why the heck would aliens do something to our species?

I hope bush is an alien,cos if hes not then hes human and thats even more terrifying!

antisipatience,
what you are waiting for is revelation. you are not us and we are not you. your rapture will reveal the macrocity of this fractal wavelength. we are the ghosts of other races as you are a ghost to every other universe(being).

i risk sentience by communicating thus. take heed.

I hope bush is an alien,cos if hes not then hes human and thats even more terrifying!

On the contrary, I think ignorance and lack of humanity is naturally a human quality.

Bush cannot be an alien, his intellect is not sufficent to find the way to earth, at least not in one piece...perhaps he crashed and lost 90% of his brain.

In an infinite universe - its pretty improbable that our planet is the only one with life on it. However - in such a large universe, its also got to be pretty unlikely that spacegoing species run into each other often. Its like releasing a couple of minnows on opposite sides of the worlds oceans. Even with deliberate and dedicated search patterns they odds are against them meeting. Its also pretty improbable, and arrogant, to assume that we are soooo fascinating that aliens with the technology to get here would be secretly screwing around with us!

However, its certainly possible. Just not worth spending too much of my energy thinking about!

what you are waiting for is revelation. you are not us and we are not you. your rapture will reveal the macrocity of this fractal wavelength. we are the ghosts of other races as you are a ghost to every other universe(being).


those are some good words!

“ I hope bush is an alien,cos if hes not then hes human and thats even more terrifying! ”


On the contrary, I think ignorance and lack of humanity is naturally a human quality.

Bush cannot be an alien, his intellect is not sufficent to find the way to earth, at least not in one piece...perhaps he crashed and lost 90% of his brain.


i think bush is closer to a Clone than an Alien, if anything.

Although i think we are all partially related to the other life forms (aka aliens) in the universe. we are them and they are us like captain said. time is NON-LINEAR after 3rd density, thus the aliens are our future , different aspects of it.


Its also pretty improbable, and arrogant, to assume that we are soooo fascinating that aliens with the technology to get here would be secretly screwing around with us!

the arrogance only comes from your assumption that the reason they are here is based on a few premises 1) they did not create us and 2) something about us "caught their eye" and 3) they came here out of curiousity in us

hence you are placing humans on that high level by saying this.

u are underlying the most important facts that THEY TELL US;
1) they incepted the earth, along with the 'cooperation' of other life forms out there.
2) they live in higher dimensions of existance, and they arent bound by time the way we are.
3) they try to tell us that we are their ancenstors, we are related, and all of that jazz.
4) they are the main basis of most religions of our world, why? because they created us and in past history they took a more dominant approach in their reign. they lived on earth with the regular humans in some instances.

some one asked if i believe in the almighty- YES.
One Spirit the Connection between everything in the entire universe.
WE ARE GODs. we have this power, it is in our mind, only a time delay slows down the outcome...

I believe that some of the Gods in Bible, and other "religious" texts is NOT about the true God, but rather ETs that were deceptive. perhaps some were not as deceptive but the humans didnt know any better. i mean, they came down from the sky in spaceships. mankind didnt know what to make out of it.

I am Ruler Supreme, Lord Avatar, Dragonmaster,
Emperor of a civilization no more

A message to all petty human upstarts

Your cities are worthless,
Your children are hopeless,
Your future has no fame,
And your name carries no flame.

"oh, look at me, im shaking in my little space boots"

good. it worked then.

I am Ruler Supreme, Lord Avatar, Dragonmaster,
Emperor of a civilization no more

A message to all petty human upstarts

Your cities are worthless,
Your children are hopeless,
Your future has no fame,
And your name carries no flame.

R_I_G_H_T
Have you had your growing spurt yet? Pimples gone?

Hmmm - Antisipatience, yeah thats really brilliant and unique! Only fits in with about one million other acid addled new age (rhymes with ''sewage'') visions of ''god'' and the universe!

I believe that some of the Gods in Bible, and other "religious" texts is NOT about the true God, but rather ETs that were deceptive. perhaps some were not as deceptive but the humans didnt know any better. i mean, they came down from the sky in spaceships. mankind didnt know what to make out of it.

This does sound very much like new age religionese, when plainly stated the bible is about one Creator and His creations with humans as the newest creation. Us humans as the new kid on the block and these other races with their technologies.

R_I_G_H_T
Have you had your growing spurt yet? Pimples gone?

I am champion eternal
I have died and been born again more times than there are multiverses in existance
A neverending tragedy
A creation of Fate and the ultimate balance of the Universe
akShayaH

This does sound very much like new age religionese, when plainly stated the bible is about one Creator and His creations with humans as the newest creation. Us humans as the new kid on the block and these other races with their technologies.

You use of capitals for "C"reator and "H"is speaks volumes about lack of objectivity.

Well, ok - when plainly stated, the Bible (New and Old Testaments) also clearly advocates hatred and violence against all sorts of people. They are not very nice books.

lack of objectivity...also clearly advocates hatred and violence against all sorts of people

This is only true if you lack the understanding of what you are reading, then you become what you claim of others.

Avatar, you are lossing it.

This is only true if you lack the understanding of what you are reading, then you become what you claim of others.

Thats BS. So Pentacostals understand it the same way that Catholics do? Jehovah's Witnesses the same way as Southern Baptists?

The way its written, much like Nostradamous's writings or astrology, is absolutely open to interpretation and therefore every group, hell - every individual has their own interpretation of it. So if somebody interpretes a Biblical passage in a way you disagree with -- then they "lack understanding of what they are reading" -- or are "taking it out of context''.

Here are a few for you:

Who You Should Kill

--Unruly or rebellious child. Deut 21:20-21

--Those who curse or hit their parents. Lev 20:9, Ex 21:15

--Worshipers of other gods. Deut 13:6-11

--Psychics, witches. Lev 20:27, Deut 13:6-11, Ex 22:18.

--Those who do not believe in Jesus (parable). Luke 19:27.

--Those who work on the Sabbath. Ex 35:2 (Moses kills a gentile for this. Num 15:32-36.)

--Those who are accused by at least two people of wickedness. Deut 17:6.

--The children and babies of enemies. Num 31:17, Deut 20:13, Psalm 137:9, Lev 26:29.

--Adulterers. Lev 20:10.

--Homosexuals. Lev 20:13.

--A woman who is not a virgin when married.
Deut 22:13-21.

Who You Should Hate

--Those who eat crab or shrimp. Lev 11:10.

--Those who sacrifice an animal to God that has a blemish. Deut 17:1.

--Those who remarry the same person after divorce. Deut 24:4.

--Homosexuals. Lev 18:22.

--Those who are proud. Prov 16:5.

--A woman who wears pants. Deut 22:5.

--A man with long hair (Jesus?). 1Cor 11:14

--those who call others fools Mat 5:22

Does all this idiocy still apply?

--All OT laws still apply in NT. Matt 5:17-19

Gravity, your religionese is showing.
Doesn't your religionese allow you to research such things as, new covenant or sayings about anger?

FireyIce your arrogant judgementalism is showing.

And - ''religionese'' isn't a word, though many theocrats seem to think it is. Google on it and you'll find many different definitions. There is one that is close however, and perhaps a better match for you:

"religiose" -- Excessively religious, especially in a conspicuous or sentimental manner.

Anyways, the ''New Covenant" silliness is tired nonsense used as an excuse to not keep using your brain to think about a subject (hey, who do you think *gave* you that brain anyways?).

Your assumption that because I don't agree with you I must not have done enough research is typical judgemental arrogance! "If they don't agree with me, they must not KNOW AS MUCH as I do!!" Right?

Well here is some research for you. A friend, Ken H, wrote one of the better pieces I've seen on this a few years ago:



"But That's the Old Testament!"
Kenneth Harding
2000

I constantly get this phrase thrown at me. It seems that Christians are very quick to disown 90% of their "perfect" Word of God, as if they would cut out the Old Testament if they could, and use only the New Testament.

Christians always use this excuse to distance themselves from the heartless brutality of the killing of women and children at the hands of Moses, Joshua, David, et al., and yet they are sure quick to whip out Old Testament laws when it is convenient for them to do so. When the time comes for fire and brimstone, they'll quote from Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Numbers and Judges; but when the Freethinker brings up all the genocide and cruel inhumanity contained in those books, well, then they say "That's the Old Testament. Jesus came to bring the New Covenant."

When they wish to heap upon us the 10 Commandments, the Creation Story in Genesis that they want to force into our schools, Noah and his Big Boat, the Wisdom of Solomon (well, he DID have 700 wives and 300 concubines), or ask us to swallow Jonah and his Whale, they will pull out their bibles and open up right to the appropriate Old Testament verse. But when we complain about the cruelty and irrationality of Moses, the infinite cruelty of the Plagues of Egypt and the Pharaoh who was intentionally hardened by God, the butcher Joshua, the criminal David and his murderous raids, Saul the Terrible and the murder of the Amalekites and the hewing of the captured king, they say "Well, that's the Old Testament."

Wait a minute... we are talking about THE Bible here. We are talking about the one and only God that the Christians worship, aren't we? Are there two bibles, two gods?

What these Christians are doing is arguing for something that they claim NOT to believe in... namely "moral relativism": they are saying that morality is not fixed, and changes over time as humanity changes. Go figure...

Exactly how do they do this? How do they create two bibles from the one? They say things like: "Jesus said he came to fulfill the law-- the old law passed away." I think what has happened here is that some ministers have intentionally misunderstood the book of Hebrews. It says: "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." (Hebrews 7:12) The laws changed, not passed away. What changed was the need for a daily animal sacrifice (Hebrews 7:27-28). That is what the New Covenant was-- Jesus was a "human sacrifice" for the forgiveness sin, replacing the Old Covenant of sacrificing burnt offerings-- slaughtered animals-- for sins. (Hebrews 8:13). See also all of Chapter 9 of Hebrews, which describes the Old Covenant of burnt offerings, and Chapter 10 which describes how the New Covenant replaces the Old for the purging of sins. THAT is what the New Covenant is all about-- it means that Christians do not have to put on the butcher's apron and slaughter goats. That's what was changed. If the Christians are right about the "old laws passing away", then we could do away with the 10 Commandments, couldn't we? The "New Covenant" does not release Christians from the killing of homosexuals, or witches, blasphemers and the worshippers of other gods either. The leaders of both the Catholic and Protestant Churches knew this when they murdered hundreds of thousands of people just a few hundred years ago.

The next time some Christian tells you to live by the 10 Commandments, tell them: But that is the Old Testament. The 10 Commandments have been replaced by Jesus' new rules to live by:

Resist not evil. (Let evil take over the country, the world, I suppose?)
Love thine enemies. (What Christian ever did this? Is this even possible?) (Matthew 5:44)
Pray in secret... do not let men see you pray. (Matthew 6:1-7)
Marrying a divorced woman is adultery (carrying the death penalty). (Matthew 5:32)
Don't plan for the future. (Matthew 6:34)
Don't save money. (Matthew 6:19-20)
Don't become wealthy. (Mark 10:21-25)
Sell everything you have and give it to the poor. (Luke 12:33)
Don't work to obtain food. (John 6:27)
Don't have sexual urges. (Matthew 5:28)
Make people want to persecute you. (Matthew 5:11)
Let everyone know you are better than the rest. (Matthew 5:13-16)
Take money from those who have no savings and give it to rich investors. (Luke 19:23-26)
If someone steals from you, don't try to get it back. (Luke 6:30)
If someone hits you, invite them to do it again. (Matthew 5:39)
If you lose a lawsuit, give more than the judgment. (Matthew 5:40)
If someone forces you to walk a mile, walk two miles. (Matthew 5:41)
If anyone asks you for anything, give it to them without question. (Matthew 5:42).
"Whosoever shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men to do so, shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:19

Are any of these ridiculous sayings wise? Is it possible to extract the least bit of common sense from them? Is this what you would teach to your own children?

When Christians throw up the excuse "But that's the Old Testament", I ask: "What do you mean, it's the Old Testament?" Christians say "Well, it was different in those days..." All right then-- how? How was it different, so that cruel wars of extermination and the slaughter of innocent children were perfectly acceptable to Christians? Did people value their lives less in those days? The 50,070 who were killed by God for looking into the Ark of the Covenant, the 70,000 innocent men whom God killed because Joseph chose 3 days of pestilence, the hundreds of innocent townspeople murdered by David during his thieving "raids" in Gath, the tens of thousands of children and babies butchered by Moses, Joshua and Saul... and of course, the 42 little children whom God killed for mocking one of his prophets. Did they value their lives less than we do today?

Remember that Jesus said "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I come not to destroy, but to fulfill." Therefore, Jesus came to fulfill Old Testament Law, such as:

Ex. 22:20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.
Lev. 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death.
Ex. 31:15 Whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Ex. 21:15 He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
Ex. 21:17 He that curseth his father or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
Ex. 22:19 Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.
Lev. 20:13 If a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death.
Lev. 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife, the adulterer
and the adulteress shall be put to death.
Ex. 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live
1 Sam 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft (so much for the American Revolution).
Mal. 2:1-4 And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. If you will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart to give glory to my name,...behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces. (Will Jesus do the spreading of the dung??)

I can understand why Christians would want to divorce the New Testament from the bloody Old Testament. You would have to to be able to maintain any kind of moral rectitude. But honestly, it cannot be done.

The very first chapter of the very first book of the New Testament lists the genealogy of Jesus back to Abraham.

In Matthew Chapter 17, Jesus speaks to Old Testament figures Moses and Elijah, who's figures appeared before him. Moses... the monster who ordered a man's death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath, and who commanded Joshua to enter the Promised Land and leave no one breathing: men, women and children.

Matthew 24:37 is an undeniable link to the brutality of the Old Testament, where Jesus compares his second coming to the destruction of the Great Flood that killed the world's population.

In the New Testament Jesus makes constant references to "scripture". In Matthew 22:29 Jesus says: "You are in error, because you do not know the scriptures, or the power of God." Now, just what were these scriptures that Jesus was making reference to? The New Testament? I don't think so. At the time there was no such thing as a New Testament! There were only the scriptures of bloodthirsty villains like Moses and David. Every reference to "scripture" in the New Testament establishes one more link to the Old Testament. How many times does the New Testament refer to Old Testament "scriptures"? 52 times.

In the New Testament, Abraham is referred to 68 times, the ancient Israelites are mentioned 73 times, Jacob 26 times, Issac 20 times, Elijah 29 times, Isiah 22 times, Noah 8 times, King David is mentioned 58 times. How about this-- the name Mary (not just the Virgin Mary, but ALL Mary's) is mentioned 54 times in the New Testament. The name Moses, on the other hand, appears 80 times! You think these numbers don't establish an important connection? You don't think that Jesus held that the teachings of Moses were important?

How about this. Jesus gives an absolute endorsement of the teachings and laws of Moses. "If you believe Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?" John 5:45

Are you going to sit there and tell me that the New Testament is not inexorably linked in the deepest ways to the Old Testament?

Will any Christian deny that, according to the bible, Jesus is the one and only same personage as the God of the Old Testament? Did Jesus condemn ANY of his father's bloody massacres? No. In Matt 5:48 he says "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect." (Matthew 5:48)

Do you think Jesus would have questioned any of his father's actions, like the many acts of genocide that litter the pages of the Old Testament? No. Remember what Jesus said when he gave the Lord's Prayer to his followers-- "Our Father who art in heaven... thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."

Do you think Jesus would have ever disobeyed his father's commands, like when he ordered that his servants should "kill everyone that breathes" upon their entry to the Promised Land? No. In John chapter 10 verse 30, Jesus said: "I and the Father are one." Jesus would have been swinging a sword, hacking nonviolent men, women and children to death, right along side of Joshua and his armies of Israelites! Just picture that. Jesus, the Prince of Peace, splitting a small child in two with his blood-drenched sword.

In John 1:1, we read "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." In verse 14, we read: "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us." We are told explicitly that Jesus Christ IS THE GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT! You probably already accept this. But, by logical extension, you must also accept therefore that it was Jesus Christ who ordered the Israelites to slaughter millions of defenseless men, women and children in the conquest of Canaan; it was Jesus Christ who killed every firstborn child in Egypt; it was Jesus Christ who ordered king Saul to butcher thousands of children and babies in the genocide of the Amalakites; it was Jesus Christ who ordered the Israelites to capture and mass-rape 32,000 young girls of the Midianite tribe after killing their families; it was Jesus Christ who struck dead 50,000 innocent people at Beshemish for merely looking into the ark of the covenant; it was Jesus Christ who caused the painful asphyxiation of every man, woman, child and animal on the face of the earth during the flood of Noah (with the exception of 8); and it was Jesus Christ who condemned every person ever born to a state of eternal suffering, all because 6000 years ago a curious and naive woman ate a piece of fruit. And, of course, it was Jesus Christ who sent 2 bears to chase down 42 little kids and disembowel them for just acting like kids (see What's So Bad About Killing Children?)

WWJD?

FOCLMAO

Oh God this is just too funny. Thanks for the chuckles.
The lack of comprehension some have when it comes to reading the simple wording of the bibles never ceases to amaze me.

Of course, even within the different branches of even the more Orthodox Christian churches - they all disagree on various points. Each being sure that its the *other guy* who is having a "lack of comprehension some have when it comes to reading the simple wording of the bibles".

I've posted it in SciForums before, but this old Emo Philips joke is just too fitting to pass up:

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said 'Stop! don't do it!' 'Why shouldn't I?' he said. I said, 'Well, there's so much to live for!' He said, 'Like what?' I said, 'Well...are you religious or atheist?' He said, 'Religious.' I said, 'Me too! Are you Christian or Buddhist?' He said, 'Christian.' I said, 'Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?' He said, 'Protestant.' I said, 'Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?' He said, 'Baptist!' I said, 'Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist church of god or Baptist church of the lord?' He said, 'Baptist church of god!' I said, 'Me too! Are you original Baptist church of god, or are you reformed Baptist church of god?' He said, 'Reformed Baptist church of god!' I said, 'Me too! Are you reformed Baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed Baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?' He said, 'Reformed Baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!' I said, 'Die, heretic scum,' and pushed him off.

In John 1:1, we read "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." In verse 14, we read: "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us." We are told explicitly that Jesus Christ IS THE GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT! You probably already accept this. But, by logical extension, you must also accept therefore that it was Jesus Christ who ordered the Israelites to slaughter millions of defenseless men, women and children in the conquest of Canaan; it was Jesus Christ who killed every firstborn child in Egypt; it was Jesus Christ who ordered king Saul to butcher thousands of children and babies in the genocide of the Amalakites; it was Jesus Christ who ordered the Israelites to capture and mass-rape 32,000 young girls of the Midianite tribe after killing their families; it was Jesus Christ who struck dead 50,000 innocent people at Beshemish for merely looking into the ark of the covenant; it was Jesus Christ who caused the painful asphyxiation of every man, woman, child and animal on the face of the earth during the flood of Noah (with the exception of 8); and it was Jesus Christ who condemned every person ever born to a state of eternal suffering, all because 6000 years ago a curious and naive woman ate a piece of fruit. And, of course, it was Jesus Christ who sent 2 bears to chase down 42 little kids and disembowel them for just acting like kids (see What's So Bad About Killing Children?)

WOW
Now I am totally amazed at how some really screw up the simple language.
ROFL

Well, yes - but again - even the most simple language, like poetry, is open to infinite interpretation. We see and hear through the filters of our own experience and knowledge. And each group chooses to see things in the way most beneficial to themselves, even if only subconciously.

heh this thread stays true to its title.

w h a t a r e y o u ?

Human, mostly, and you?

I'm Alien God.

you're not too pretty (http://www.das-brisingamen.de/eggleton/alien/bob_eggleton_theenginesofgod.jpg)
but a god is a god
do aliens bring tasty things to you?

Don't you know what you are antisipatience?

wow, this thread started off about aliens and has become religous. This happens quite often. I am atheist, i believe whole heartedly in science. And i see religion as a way to explain the inexplicable, that was started way back when. But over the years it took on new meanings. I also see religion as hope, and faith, there isn't really any solid proof of god but people have faith in him. And when they die their faith is rewarded, also it's comforting to think that there is always someone watching over you whenever you feel alone.

Anyhoo back to aliens. If the universe IS infinite and i can't really imagine it being anything else, then there simply HAS to be another intelligent life form of some kind out there. But the chances of any two intelligent species coming into contact is so incredibly unlikely then it might not even be our species that gets visited. But imagine it from "their" point of view, you've spotted a planet and you've done some preliminary research, because if you are intelligent enough to solve the simple problem of interplanetary travel, you'll be smart enough to know what you're getting yourself into. So they know that we are a planet governed strictly by rules, law enforcement, government etc etc. If they were spotted, and a mass of people saw solid proof of their existence then they would be caught instantly. Of course what with their infinite wisdom they could probably avoid capture. But still, it's better to never get caught than to escape capture, so they'd find some way of studying or abducting us without being detected by more than a few people.
As for them never abducting anyone of actual importance, and just going for plain old billy bob. How often are poeple of HIGH importance ever alone and away from a dense urban area? and when they are, people would KNOW that they've been missing. People with high IQ's would most likely be the target.

I personally don't believe we've ever been visited, and i don't expect we will, not in my time on this planet anyway. But as for them living in a different dimension, not being dictated by time etc etc, that could most likely be possible if they are this superior race.

Anyone want to poke holes in my theory or agree with me?