What are the most popular and/or easiest web page design software? MS frontpage? Macromedia? what do you use? Also for graphics & photoediting, what (other than photoshop) do you use?

I use Dreamweaver and Notepad. For graphics i just use photoshop

I like 1st page 2000 (http://www.evrsoft.com/), it's easy to use and it's free.

Macromedia Dreamweaver is pretty much an industry standard for simple web design. However something like ASP.NET gives much more versatility but requires a server configured to use the Dot Net Framework not to mention a whole expensive piece of IDE.

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I use a combination of Macromedia Dreamweaver, Macromedia Flash, Paint Shop Pro 7 (dislike 8), 1st page // sometimes I might need Photoshop, but that's rare and I prefer PSP7

Macromedia Fireworks is prolly my first choice for web graphics. It is great for bringing large graphics down to something that is web friendly without losing much quality. It is nice for creating slices and so forth. it is very web friendly and integrates with Macromedia Dreamweaver very nicely.

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It depends on what you want to create. In most cases, you can get by with a simple text editor + syntax highlighting, and firefox with the webdesigner extension installed.

Dreamweaver is nice if you're visual, or use it to manage a large site. But you'll be better off without the bells and whistles, IMO.

Dreamweaver is nice if you're visual, or use it to manage a large site. But you'll be better off without the bells and whistles, IMO.
I agree, designing a site works best when coding the HTML, CSS, Javascript and PHP (or any other server-side scripting language of your choice) yourself, although it does take more effort. For image manipulation and conversion, I'd usually go for GIMP. It's free!

everything is free if you are a man and not a mouse ;) j/k

Visual Studios is actually pretty good when it comes to websites. I prefer Dreamweaver but Visual Studios still works.

Macromedia HomeSite (which includes topstyle a css editor)

i stink at gfx's, so i steal and assimilater what i like...

I also like using EvrSoft's 1st page. The intelligent-help system is awesome.

I sometimes use dreamweaver for things that I want done quickly. For example, with large tables I'll usually whip them up in dreamweaver and then go edit the code manually with 1st page.

Why anyone would use notepad is beyond me. It doesn't allow you to quickly preview, doesn't support line numbers, has rigid formatting etc. Eversoft is free, people!

Oh, and don't use notepad just to impress others :D

I use Notepad. I like working with the HTML code itself, fine-tuning it to my liking.

Sure, I can't instantly preview, but the normal method — having a browser window open while I edit, then saving and refreshing — works just fine for me. I don't really need line numbers, since I know roughly where everything is in the document, and if there's a problem on the resulting page, I can see where it would be on the document.

With graphics, I use either Microsoft Paint or Microsoft Photo Editor . . . I don't have Photoshop.

by the way, I once tried to use Notepad to write an HTML code but it couldn't display as webpage....I wonder what mistakes I made... I'm a novice by the way, though I learned some bits of HTML coding from Angelfire (and subsequently, self learning/source check)
I included these as far as I can remember:
< title >
< / title >
< head >
< / head >
< body >
< / body >
And also, perhaps it didn't work since I forgot to save the file as .html extention, but who knows I did miss something.

As for webpage making preference, as I stated just earlier I prefer making them myself...

Those can't be pretty graphics with MS paint, wulf :p

Curioucity, the title tags go inside the head tags. Everything goes in HTML tags. Those tell the browser reading the document that it's an HTML document.

It should look something like this:

&lt;HTML&gt;
&lt;Head&gt;
&lt;Title&gt;. . . Your page title here . . .&lt;/Title&gt;
&lt;/Head&gt;
&lt;Body&gt;
. . . Your page stuff here . . .
&lt;/Body&gt;
&lt;/HTML&gt;

Those can't be pretty graphics with MS paint, wulf :p

I don't make pictures with Paint . . . I just crop and do other editing tasks like that. :p

Why anyone would use notepad is beyond me. It doesn't allow you to quickly preview, doesn't support line numbers, has rigid formatting etc. Eversoft is free, people!


It is lightweight and opens quickly. I use gvim. How sad is that?

I find MS Frontpage to be very intuitive, easy to use, because it acts like all the other MS Office applications. Although with Frontpage, you can make some pretty boring looking, very plain, not unique pages. Unless you want to delve into the depths of the program and put up with some of its more frustrating features, like the way it edits tables, you'll have a blah looking web page.

I use it cause it's available to me, and it can create premade table layouts for pages, which are pretty easy to shape into a good looking site, as long as you provide some interesting graphics.

I doubt Frontpage is the easiest to use. I haven't used Macromedia's programs before, so I can't offer a comparison.

I use VS Dot NET, Painter7 (no point going to Painter8 as there is nothing new in it) , 3DSMAX 7 and a few custom tools and scripts.

curiocity.: remember to turn on full pahts and file names, windows has a huge love at setting .txt after text files for some reason :), and as you proberly know the browser shows txt files aaaaaaas you guess it text :)

coffeecup, sure its microsoft, but as long you use a cracked version like me your not supporting tha american economy. it lets you write in html, previw it in tha other tab and gives you all the necessary scripts in a reference library, as well os some bonus graphic scripts

I hate frontpage. 1. It generates dirty html. 2. the inteface is lame. 3. Dreamweaver beats it in zero time.

hey i was wondering, i been looking at code samples lately and for some reason the use of a / in the end of tag has increase a lot, does it serve a purporpose or just for looks?

eg. < br /> or < input ... />

:eek: :confused: Personally I have no idea.

That is because certain MLs require that tags must be shut. The &lt;br&gt; tag has no shut tag, so you use &lt;br /&gt; to provide termination. This is done in XML files where an element contains no data. This is quite useful because you can instantly see the scope of an element. The space is there persumably because some older browsers parse the "br/" and go WTF?

purporpose another crap word :)

anyhow i think its for make somekind of order as some tags lack a specifik end tag, kinda pointless imo

In HTML < BR> tags can have < /BR> tags to close the BREAK which is the proper ISO, however most automated code for HTML (like CGI scripts) have it cut back to being just < BR> as it parses as just a self enclosed break.

XML utilises a closure backslash < BR /> but this is due to the XML specification working like this. You will find with most documents on the internet (HTML or XML specific) their will be a tag inserted into the file specifying how the interpreter should interpret and by what rules (XML or HTML etc)

The main site to learn more about these specifications and specifications like VRML can be found here:
http://www.w3.org/

Thats is also part of why it strange and a bit funny Stryder :)


Start tag: required, End tag: forbidden


http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/REC-html40-19980424/struct/text.html#h-9.3.2
having a < /br> tag will cause HTML validation to fail

1 explanation could be as you say, people are tring to uphold the xml standards, but forsome strange reason they still tag there pages as HTML

Thanks to Athel and Kunax for those info and advice :)
Eh, Kunax just mentioned about < /br > tag, and I need reminder.... How can we make a lot of spaces (line/break) with HTML? Enter key doesn't work, I've learnt it myself, so how about the tags?

the < pre > < /pre > tags will show text just like you type it
& nbsp; is a blank(spacebar)
< br > is break line

Break for new line<BR>followed&nbsp;by&nbsp;Blank&nbsp;characters&nbsp;here
<pre> Bla bla
bla bla
bla bla bla
bla
</pre>

Break for new line<BR>followed&nbsp;by&nbsp;Blank&nbsp;characters&nbsp;here
<pre> Bla bla
bla bla
bla bla bla
bla
</pre>


not sure if thats what you want, but its a start :)

How can we make a lot of spaces (line/break) with HTML?

Use &amp;nbsp;. Use where ya need a space. Here are a couple examples:

This:

<Pre>Makes&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;this!</Pre>

Makes&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;this!

This:

<Pre>Makes&lt;BR&gt;
&amp;nbsp;&lt;BR&gt;
&amp;nbsp;&lt;BR&gt;
&amp;nbsp;&lt;BR&gt;
&amp;nbsp;&lt;BR&gt;
this!</Pre>

Makes<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
this!

Hope that's what ya needed help on. :)

Dreamweaver for layout
Photoshop for graphics...

Thats all you need

&lt;P style = "text-indent: 180px; padding-top:180px" &gt; &lt;/P&gt;Hooray

<P style = "text-indent: 180px; padding-top:180px" > </P>Hooray

With the advantages of not having multiple &amp;nbsp;s and being able to set in px, picas, points and percentages and being able to be relative or absolute. Disadvantages of using css and being a hack. Although all the methods are hacks. I suppose this shouldn't be set in the HTML since in pertains to presentation and not content. Perhaps should be conveyed in other entities, ie. the things surrounding the whitespace.

There is another way of generating a space, however it is dependent on the ISO for your character set. Namely Alt+255 will generate a DOS whitespace using the ISO-8859-1 charset. The usage of ASCII extended characters can also be handy for Passwords that are more difficult to crack in certain instances, although not always supported by the programs that parse passwords due to lazy programmers.