If one had the ability to summons alien species from deep space, that could possibly destroy humanty. Would that be considered bad?

Not if his name was Nyarlathotep.

Then it'd be called classic horror.

who teh hell is he?

I'd say, what happened to the good old jumping off a high building as means of suicide?

yeah you to

You don't know Nyalarthotep, Crawling Chaos and servant to the Mindless Other Gods? You know, monstrosity of a 1000 forms, all that stuff.

Alright, what about the name one fears to speak aloud? Do you know Azathoth?

yeah you to

Obviously destroying humanity means commiting suicide too.

What if were to just destroy our humanity? You know, be like what gendanken and Doc want to be.

Heartless and savage, without caring about redemption or whatever.

If one had the ability to summons alien species from deep space, that could possibly destroy humanty. Would that be considered bad?

It depends on what kind of person the person is.

Alright, what about the name one fears to speak aloud? Do you know Azathoth?

Whoever the fuck that is, Azathoth doesn't strike as much fear in someone as Voldemort.

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Azathoth doesn't strike as much fear in someone as Voldemort.
Ah, but does Voldemort gnaw mindlessly in the center of infinite chaos? Was Voldemort mentioned in the Necronomicon, black blook of dread, written by the mad Arab Abdul Alhazred?
Nah.

The person he is does not matter. Its the fact that he summoned life.

* I might have made a few posts tonight, it might be my disorder..... You know...... The typical " I am the "One" human being to be designed to fly and be a superhero. instead opted to destroy all of asia , europe and Long Island instead, but never got designed and decided to hate. So everyone wants me to go back to hell kinda thing. BTW, if their isnt anyone in the room below me, I definately heard what sounded like alien "simon" beeps communicating with me while just laying in bed.

What if were to just destroy our humanity? You know, be like what gendanken and Doc want to be.

Heartless and savage, without caring about redemption or whatever.

They aren't "heartless and savage". They may not be comfortable to be with, for some people. But that doesn't make them heartless and savage.

Well if the entire human race was destroyed, I'd consider that to be a bad thing.

Obviosuly my ESP is not up to par Spurious Monkey.

They aren't "heartless and savage". They may not be comfortable to be with, for some people. But that doesn't make them heartless and savage.

Speak for yourself do-gooder.

:p

Roman,

Not if his name was Nyarlathotep.

Nyarlathotep wasn't human though.

It's been a while since I've read Lovecraft. Which was in the Colour from Outer Space (or some similar title). Shib-Nuggurath? The star-goat or something, ain't it?

And don't forget about Cthulu dreaming beneath the sea at R'lyeh. Cthulhu fthagn.

Or the Great Old One's sleeping beneath the ice beyond the Mountains of Madness. And the Shoggoth that pipe Tekeli-li.

Ah. So many horrible wonders await mankind in the mythos of the beloved H.P.

Voldemort, indeed.
Even uttering the name in the same sentence is an insult to the memory of a great writer.

What if were to just destroy our humanity? You know, be like what gendanken and Doc want to be.

I think that you're wrong.
From my talks with her, Gendanken cares more about humanity you give her credit for. She is, in fact, in love with humanity.

It's humans that she hates.

I haven't had many discussions with Lou, but I imagine that his ideas are similar if cruder. Rather that he's not so much in love with humanity and the wonders which it is capable of, but rather that he wouldn't seek to destroy it utterly. Just put it in its place. Drop the levels of technology back to what it was a thousand or more years ago. Maybe even to prehistoric times. Doc's ideas are hard to pin down sometimes. Sometimes I think he'd like a frontier society in which his recent ancestors lived in Australia (and which, by the way, he could probably have right now if he just moved to the outback) and other times I think he would prefer stripping away every last bit of humanity's progress and reducing us to the level of grunting ape flinging shit at each other once more.

I think this reduction in humanity is pointless as we are still apes flinging shit at each other. We just have this nifty symbolic reference which allows us to throw shit figuratively rather than literally. Oh. And there are also other benefits...


So, in short, I don't think that you could Gendanken a traitor to humanity. Lou might be skirting the line, but I think that others are correct in that he doesn't really have the courage of his convictions. He uses hyperbole to drive home a point that is somewhat less than the point that he seems to be making. I think he's more of a frontier's man without a frontier. Although this makes his nonpresence in the outback a trifle... disturbing.


What of Leto II the God Emperor? Anyone here read the Dune books? Was he a traitor? He would be an excellent example of someone looking out for humanity and not for humans.


Athelwulf,

Whoever the fuck that is, Azathoth doesn't strike as much fear in someone as Voldemort.

Pokemon. Voldemort. Bah.

What's to fear in Voldemort? The Harry Potter books are lame. Utterly and hopelessly non-fear-inspiring. If you really ever even felt a tiny tremble at the thought of Voldemort then you're worse off than I ever thought.

It's called H.P. Lovecraft. Try it sometimes. Much better read than Harry Potter.

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Well, hurry the fuck up so you can shut the fuck up about it already.

If one had the ability to summons alien species from deep space, that could possibly destroy humanty. Would that be considered bad?


Not really because if anyone could communicate with some sort of alien race they would know by the message sent that humans aren't worth the time to come all this way to destroy humanity. They will have learned from the communications that humanity will cause its own self destruction.

This hypothetical alien race need not be evil or have malevolent designs in mind to destroy humanity, though...

They could be "just trying to help"...

Suppose they pitied us for our primitive dependence on burning grease and crystalized grease for most of our energy needs, and handed over some bit of "supertechnology" the size of a loaf of bread which produced what was for all intents and purposes limitless and un-ending energy by "cold fusion", and which had universal plug-adaptors for any device from a toaster to an aircraft carrier... (don't bloody well ask me how, it's hypothetical...) and distributed the things all over the world to anyone who wanted one.

That's pretty much the end of modern society as we know it...!

I'm quite certain that in short order wars would be being fought over the things, with weapons powered by the things, and the end result would be a beautiful sphere of shiny glass where the surface of the Earth used to be.

One of the aliens would then turn to another and say:

"Shit... Didn't see that coming..."

;)

Which alien was first

I would say it's bad to destroy humanity. Despite our many shortcomings and our downright evil tendencies, we have created some wonderful stuff. If there's no danger that we're going to spread across the galaxy and introduce millions of planets to Nazism or Stalinism or Christianity, it's better to leave us to find out what we will eventually become.

And personally I think that's never going to happen. I don't believe that FTL travel will ever be invented. Traveling in sublight ships, we can't go to many other worlds and we can't go very far and we can't establish a very big presence on them. Yeah, we could subjugate a Stone Age people like we did here, but that's about it.

The risk is equally low that we'll be visited by someone who can do us harm. The odds of an alien ship traveling at sublight speeds stumbling onto Earth are pretty small -- especially since we're far from the galactic center. Whoever conquers us won't be able to go back home very quickly to brag about it, bring his friends, or bring huge machinery to reverse-terraform our planet. He's going to have to make a home here. So the damage he would want to do is limited. We're all he's got.

The same is true of the damage that a bunch of Earth people would be willing to invoke on a planet full of hapless primitives. What's the point?

Invert;
With all due respect, nigger, you're just way off the mark.
Perhaps if we exchanged 40 pms a day you'd have a more complete understanding of my views. As it stands you shouldn't even be commenting on them, ignoring the over-simplifying you're not even heading in the right direction.
It's your comprehension that is crude.

For the record I could live in the outback on the frontier and still have all the same reasons to say what I say, it would make no difference. I could live in an apartment complex on the top floor and never leave my room and it would not conflict with my views.
But I do coincidentally happen to enjoy the outdoors.
And I do spend time in the outback on "the frontier", thats where all my relatives are.
This couldn't be more irrelevent though and if you paid attention you'd see that.

Even if I cringed at the thought of having to live off the land (and naturally being territorial in accordance with that), I could still say that people need to live off the land and be territorial for the planet to work properly. And I would say that. Because it's not a matter of opinion while whether or not I would like it is.

The judgements you and fenris and gendanken make of me for not living in the wild are akin to the people who suggest those against over-population kill themselves. It's entirely missing the point.
Killing themselves won't get aids airborn.

Lou,

You miss the point altogether. I wasn't attacking you, although what I was saying couldn't help but touch on the fact that I thought that you might be a frontier man without a frontier.

I thought I was being nice, actually. Stupid me.
And I said that I didn't know you well enough to say anything for sure about you.

All I was saying is that I thought that you weren't actually out to destroy humanity.
I guess I'm wrong on that and you actually do want to destroy it?
Whatever. It's a pretty lame desire.

I wasn't attacking you either(it's just overwhelmingly tempting to write "nigger" after "with all due respect").
I was just saying you've misunderstood me
I guess I'm wrong on that and you actually do want to destroy it?
and you've done it again.

I guess there's no law against not paying attention, but yes, perhaps you should avoid trying to "explain" me to others from now on.

The person he is does not matter. Its the fact that he summoned life.

Ya only said that he had the power, not that he actually used it.

Pokemon. Voldemort. Bah.

Pika pika.

What's to fear in Voldemort?

What's to fear in Azathoth?

The Harry Potter books are lame. Utterly and hopelessly non-fear-inspiring.

They aren't written to be horror books.

If you really ever even felt a tiny tremble at the thought of Voldemort then you're worse off than I ever thought.

Do you know what sarcasm is? Maybe I should put a sarcasm mark at the end of all my sarcastic sentenses so ya know what's what?

It's called H.P. Lovecraft. Try it sometimes. Much better read than Harry Potter.

Okay.

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Invert,
Gendanken's all over the place. I can only peg her as a misnathrope, as her contradictions always involve her insulting humans (not so much sci members, but hypothetical others). Maybe she does love humanity? I didn't know there was a difference between humans and humanity.

Doc is consistent everywhere, and absoultely adamant that he'd kick a pregnant woman in the gut.

Humans are pretty contradictory creatures, but I'm guessing that's just because we're so adaptable. Likewise, we can do some pretty shitty stuff, and some pretty great stuff. Doc and gendanken are disguested by it all– the stupidity, the altruism, babies.
They just come as people loathing what everyone is: human.

Doc has a better sense of humor about it.

Nyalarthotep had a lot of shapes he came in. One was a completely black man, but not a negroid (from the Dream Quest of Unkown Kadath). But, no, he definitely was inhuman. I was actually going to invoke Cthulhu, but this NO1 kid talks of the horrors that lurk in deep space. Cthulhu sleeps in Ryleah, which is a sunken city under the sea. It'd be hard to summon him from space, as he's already here.

There's a bunch of stuff from later authors who added to the Cthulhu mythos, but I haven't read any of it. Have you?

I was going to post a serious reply about this, that, and the other thing as well as give an entertaining little discussion on Azathoth, Shub-Niggurath, and Yog-Sothoth as well as make mention of Cthulhu, Nyarlathotep, and maybe a few other lovely individuals from Lovecraft's beautiful little world. However, I got wrapped up in a few things and don't have time to post it right now. So, I'll do it later.

Anyway. If anyone wants to read some Lovecraft and learn how to summon the Elder Gods from the outer darkness to ravage the Earth once more, then just follow this link:

http://esspc-ebooks.com/default.htm

Search for Lovecraft in the author box.

Two of his books: Beyond the Walls of Sleep and The Music of Eric Zann are available for download in the lit format. (Microsoft reader for those who don't know.)

I've actually got my hands full converting over several other books that I got from a torrent site (I hate Microsoft Reader) and one of the books is where I got the link to this site from.


Anyway.
A quickie.

Roman,

Maybe she does love humanity? I didn't know there was a difference between humans and humanity.

Quite simple.
The difference between humans and humanity is the difference between the micro and the macro.
Humans are dirty, disgusting pigs but humanity is a beautiful thing that has sent man to the moon and will one day get us to another star system.

I gotta go. More later.

Hold up. Even better for some of you.
http://www.dagonbytes.com/thelibrary/lovecraft/index.html
No software required.

Pika pika.

What does that mean?

There would be no point for an Alien species to make physical contact becuase we are with regular use of our primal functions.
Modern society has only been around for a few thousand years, and that is nowhere close enough to what we need to evolve to an adaptable way of thinking. It is hard enough for us to recognise what is common within our society let only what isnt common in the universe.

The point is, humanity in its age, is going nowhere unless we take responsiblity for our actions and start looking after our planet, our home, our tiny god like entity in the middle of what would seem like nowhere.

(oh yeah, plus this point, if we could travel the speed of light, it would still take us years and years to get to our nearest star anyways. )

If we let aliens know we're here, then they came and killed everyone who wouldnt serve them or mate with them or whatever.. would the people who submitted and became colaboraters be traitors to humanity - or would they be the good guys, simply because theyd be all that was LEFT of humanity??

Water:
Pika pika. ”


What does that mean?
That he's an iron deficient assmunch.

He meant pica (http://kidshealth.org/parent/emotions/behavior/pica.html)

Roman:
Gendanken's all over the place. I can only peg her as a misnathrope, as her contradictions always involve her insulting humans (not so much sci members, but hypothetical others). Maybe she does love humanity? I didn't know there was a difference between humans and humanity
HA!

If you can magically destroy this human inabiltity we all have to resist hearing the nonsenese we all spew, I'd probably like you all better.

Point is: we simulateanlys suck and rule and if not, we would not be the interesting assholes we all are.
That said, pandas rule.

Water:

That he's an iron deficient assmunch.

He meant pica (http://kidshealth.org/parent/emotions/behavior/pica.html)

lol..
not up on pop culture are you?
he was referencing pikachu, a pokemon. That is the sound it makes. "pika pika".

Invert
Sweet list. There's some works on their I've never seen. Too bad you couldn't have squeezed something serious out of this thread. Ah well, may hoary and ancient Nodens claim them all. (Nodens was the god of night-gaunts, the tickling and ancient faceless fliers that lived in the bowels of the earth. Ghouls rode them as battlesteeds. Ironically, the night-gaunts fear water, which the Norse god Nodens rules over).

Gendanken,
Aren't you and Mephura the same person?

Anywho, yeah, I agree with your assessment of nonsensical people; however, some people are far more consistent in their bullshit.
At least Lou has an aesthetic or something to cling to.

You just get off on always being right, even if it contradicts your past three agruments.

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So with your mulitple personas, is it because you need to someone to ask about your academic and arcane references so you can explain what you mean to all us little folk?

Gendanken,
Aren't you and Mephura the same person?
Uhm, no.

Think bigger.
You just get off on always being right, even if it contradicts your past three agruments
Who doesn't contradict themselves?
Got a whole thread up defining this as human.

But wanting to kill and then not wanting to kill- where's the contradiction?
That's like saying starvation is hunger's contradiction.
When not eating, are you contradicting hunger when not hungry?

"Beware of entrance to a quarrel" says Polonois to Laertes (all hail Shakesperare), " but being in it, bear it that th' opposed may beware of thee......"
Muhahhahahhahaha....


At least Lou has an aesthetic or something to cling to.
Its more like you clinging on to his testicles.
You like him so you like how he says things.
Kidding.

As for this idea you have of me wanting to "destroy humanity"- look in a barrel of fruit and you'll find some are rotting.

Lou and others would like to destroy the whole barrel, for him the problem is fruit and not rot.
So in a world surrounded by fruit, he'd be the fist to get scurvy
Sevi?

Humanity is can be so much MORE, that's what bites.

So with your mulitple personas,
Again, think bigger.

Gendanken,
Aren't you and Mephura the same person?

That hurts...
I don't contradict myself nearly as much as she does.
There is more to the story, but that really isn't for here.
She is right, think bigger. (i guess)

You just get off on always being right, even if it contradicts your past three agruments.

That she does...

and to throw in my two cents on the subject;

If one had the ability to summons alien species from deep space, that could possibly destroy humanty. Would that be considered bad?


No.
Steps forward often requires risks. Risks must be taken. If they aren't nothing ever happens. So no, not bad. Just nessecary

Fuck the both of you.

Life fucking teaches: defend yourself to the last.
This, the source of contradictions and you're allllllllllllll infected.

The one that risks nothing, gains nothing.
defend yourself all you want. Any society that is too worried about defending what they already have to take any chances will get paced by on all aspects of growth.
But i guess they will remain 'pure', right?

What are we infected with exactly? Life?
life is limited, finite. When you only have so much time, why waste it worrying about defending? with out risking things, your life is meaningless...

I would've thought you would've learned by now that the safest course often leads to disaster.

What are we infected with exactly? Life?

No, Pangloss.

The habit of pointing fingers.

Pointing fingers?
I comment on life, you point to the crowd and tell them they are all infected.

Your second post, Meph.

He meant pica

This is very informative! Thank you for the link.


If you can magically destroy this human inabiltity we all have to resist hearing the nonsenese we all spew, I'd probably like you all better.

Where is a tyrant when I need one!
That inability is done away with absolutism.


Point is: we simulateanlys suck and rule and if not, we would not be the interesting assholes we all are.

I must:
We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us.


That said, pandas rule.

Yeah, and they eat some 30 pounds of bamboo each day. Now how's that for gulping down poor food for thought?


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not up on pop culture are you?
he was referencing pikachu, a pokemon. That is the sound it makes. "pika pika".

The word only caught my attention because there is one spelled the same way in my native language, with a meaning not entirely remote from the debate there.
In Slovene, "pika" means 'dot'; the form is also the 3rd person singular present tense of the verb "pikati", which means 'to stings', so "pika", as a verb means ' he/she/it stings'.


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So with your mulitple personas, is it because you need to someone to ask about your academic and arcane references so you can explain what you mean to all us little folk?

Academic and arcane references? Wow, I love that.

Gendy, pray that human memory doesn't work like the one in worms -- where they can eat other worms' brains, and get smart. You'd be most wanted!


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Alright, I'm having a tedious day today.

Alright, I'm having a tedious day today.
Make that "weekend"
You're not the only one.

The word only caught my attention because there is one spelled the same way in my native language, with a meaning not entirely remote from the debate there.
In Slovene, "pika" means 'dot'; the form is also the 3rd person singular present tense of the verb "pikati", which means 'to stings', so "pika", as a verb means ' he/she/it stings'.

Interesting.
Pica, in the Spanish tounge (colloquially and informally) is also 'sting' or 'prick' but would not translate to the English slang of 'prick' used for 'asshole'.

For example, to say "You're such a fucking prick sometimes" in English sounds ridiculous if translated to Spanish as "Aveces, eres una pica"

And, the pica in “picante” is there for a reason.

Now consider the French terms describing all male residents of Ohio- "tete de merde"

This is very informative! Thank you for the link.

Useless FYI: I eat chalk.

I've never been diagnosed, but going by the fact that I tend to be anemic and that I've always had a strange habit of licking chalkboards or putting wet clay in my mouth, I've concluded that I also have pica.
That's how I know about it.

Smell the earth after its rained, preferably around late march early May- makes my mouth water.

Where is a tyrant when I need one!
That inability is done away with absolutism.


Not really.

The only solution for a healthy, functional human being is killing off the limbic system of the brain.
So.

Want to get rid of that inability?
Position yourself in a car and calculate the angle at which your head would slam through the windshield without severely damaging the frontal or temporal lobes.

Then slam on the accelerator and only brake after hitting a brick wall.

Roman:
Checkmate, fucker.

Not if I eat your brains, bitch.

Interesting.
Pica, in the Spanish tounge (colloquially and informally) is also 'sting' or 'prick' but would not translate to the English slang of 'prick' used for 'asshole'.

For example, to say "You're such a fucking prick sometimes" in English sounds ridiculous if translated to Spanish as "Aveces, eres una pica"

That's common; words rarely translate 1:1.


And, the pica in “picante” is there for a reason.

Yes, and the root, phonetically [pik-], is present in many languages, with similar meanings. Will consult some etymological dictionaries.

As an aside: In cards, what is in English called a "spade", in French, German, Slavic is "pique/Pik/pik", coming from the French word "pique", 'the sharp end of a certain military weapon'; the shape of the symbol on the card is taken after that and named likewise.
Only that you use the "spade" for working the garden. Hm.


Now consider the French terms describing all male residents of Ohio- "tete de merde"

Shithead ... There must be a way to make a proper French word with this meaning, from these components!
Let's see: "tete" is the core word and "(de) merde" is the defining attribute. The definining attribute usually comes left to the core word if we make a one-word compound. Compare shit+head. But since I know zilch of French word formation, I'll have to stop here.


I've never been diagnosed, but going by the fact that I tend to be anemic

This may be due to your vegetarianism though. I tend to be anemic as well.


Smell the earth after its rained, preferably around late march early May- makes my mouth water.

Your time is drawing near!


Not really.

The only solution for a healthy, functional human being is killing off the limbic system of the brain.
So.

Want to get rid of that inability?
Position yourself in a car and calculate the angle at which your head would slam through the windshield without severely damaging the frontal or temporal lobes.

Then slam on the accelerator and only brake after hitting a brick wall.

And thus, a "healthy, functional human being" is a vegetable ...
Are vegetables anemic?

Shithead ... There must be a way to make a proper French word with this meaning, from these components!



Yes, yes.
Let's see here. A French word to describe all resident males of Ohio, of voting age, to replace the longer phrase of 'merde de tete"

Hmmm.
Going down the alpabet, J stands out. Jaaaaaaaa...Jackass!
But that's not French.
How about J....Jas....Jerk!

But that's not French either. CuCarracha? No, that's Spanish.
Abruti it is then.

As an aside: In cards, what is in English called a "spade", in French, German, Slavic is "pique/Pik/pik", coming from the French word "pique", 'the sharp end of a certain military weapon'; the shape of the symbol on the card is taken after that and named likewise.
Only that you use the "spade" for working the garden. Hm.

In English, the term 'spade' was used to describe black people( popluar in 50's and 60's (I think) among porch-monkey Southern Whites who 'hated niggers' without knowing why)(grrrr)

Spade. What the fuck? That's not even creative enough for a chuckle- the same with 'darky'.
Who the fuck says 'darky'? Archi Bunker retards.
Again, porch monkey whites.

And thus, a "healthy, functional human being" is a vegetable ...
Are vegetables anemic?
I said "healthy, functional" becuase only the healthy functional human gives a shit- despite what he says- about what others think and say.

Autistics don't.

Roman:
Not if I eat your brains, bitch.
Not until you tell me where the contradiction is, you paraplegic son of a whore!

Yes, yes.
Let's see here. A French word to describe all resident males of Ohio, of voting age, to replace the longer phrase of 'merde de tete"

Hmmm.
Going down the alpabet, J stands out. Jaaaaaaaa...Jackass!
But that's not French.
How about J....Jas....Jerk!

But that's not French either. CuCarracha? No, that's Spanish.
Abruti it is then.

You can just call me meph, Gendy. It works as good as any.

Yes, yes.
Let's see here. A French word to describe all resident males of Ohio, of voting age, to replace the longer phrase of 'merde de tete"

Hmmm.
Going down the alpabet, J stands out. Jaaaaaaaa...Jackass!
But that's not French.
How about J....Jas....Jerk!

But that's not French either. CuCarracha? No, that's Spanish.
Abruti it is then.

Come, come, sweetie. It will show on your skin.