Your Preferred Presidential Candidate for 2020?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Bowser, Feb 27, 2017.

  1. sculptor Valued Senior Member


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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Every one of those folks except Amash himself voted with the Republican Party bloc on most or all of my list of rightwing authoritarian Republican initiatives. That including Rand Paul, who is not his father. (Who also had his authoritarian aspects, btw, re drugs and abortion and the like, but was pretty much the closest the Republican Party can come to "libertarian" ideology in any non-Orwellian sense of the term.)

    Or you could continue to buy your politics by its self-appliqued brand names - wherein, say, advocating for the expansion of private for-profit prisons becomes a "libertarian" initiative.

    And your example of libertarian Republicans is the membership of a group that has Louie Gohmert and no liberals in it.

    Tip: Don't buy your Rolexes that way.
    You will also need a clue. You do realize that Sculptor there has just posted the claim that Michelle Bachmann and her Tea Pary cohorts (the origin of the Liberty Caucus) are the "libertarian" wing of the Republican Party? That Louie Gohmert and Mark Sanders and Jason Chaffetz are "libertarian" in their ideology?

    I'm beginning to think that entire bit about me and my "ilk" being Clinton Democrats was something you actually believed and still believe, not a temporary amnesiac fugue brought on by an overdose of kangaroo boy video wisdom. You've actually drunk the rightwingie koolaid, you do in fact live in the worldbubble constructed for you by the intellectual feed into Fox and Breitbart and thirty years of talk radio.

    Take a look in the mirror: do you believe - truly believe, as sculptor does - that "identity politics" was invented by, and is currently a particularly emphasized feature of, the Democratic Party? The answer is yes. The question then becomes: "Why?"
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  5. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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  7. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

    The more I watch the more the Democratic Party looks...incapable of moving forward. It's sad...

  8. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member


    Yeah, I'm sure you are sad.

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    But that sadness has nothing to do with the Democratic Party. It has everything to do with the crumbling of the Republican Party which will likely become more exacerbated as Republicans are faced with actually governing and those stresses can already be seen.

    House Republicans are keeping their Obamacare repeal and replacement bill under lock and key. They won't even show it to Senate Republicans. House Republicans are treating it like a national secret: not even sharing it with fellow Republicans.
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member


    And since that was your only hope of preventing disaster from what just took power in the US, not only sad but kind of scary.
  10. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

    Reality is a scarce commodity these days.

    It wasn't a travel ban, it was a moratorium while the variously non-communicating agencies fucked up the paperwork some more. Isn't that what bureaucracies are for anyway?

    Trump is a bad Las Vegas nightclub act, granted, but someone in this thread has already pointed out that Hillary is a very bad Las Vegas gansgter by comparison. (I paraphrase)

    Russia leaked both parties communications, If I remember correctly. It just turned out that Hillary and the DNC were shittier players than the RNC and their primary, so made more money for the media. That one's easy...
  11. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

    Well, you don't recall correctly. Russian only leaked Democratic material. Russia went a step further and faked some of the stolen documents.
  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    You don't. They didn't. They were backing Trump, remember?
    It was a moratorium on travel - a temporary travel ban, with no reliable criteria for lifting it. Applications for grad school engineering programs at a couple of major US schools are down by a quarter or more.
    Trump is a bad Las Vegas casino owner act - not that high class, actually: Atlantic City casino owner act.
    Clinton is an ordinary moderate Republican circa 1958, forced to run as a Democrat because the Republican Party is batshit crazy these days.

    Your gullibility with regard to the more ridiculous aspects of the US wingnut media operations - the "gangster Clinton" goofyness, exhibit A - is crippling.

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