Your Preferred Presidential Candidate for 2020?

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  1. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    Seen rumors that Hillary might run again in 2020. Who do you want for to run? What are your feelings?
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Any non-Republican, for any office. The Party has become a monster, incapable of governance or any other good office, destructive only, and perverting of any good will joined within it.
     
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  5. Michael 345 Bali tonight Valued Senior Member

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    Hillary not going to happen

    Trump will

    My feeling

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  7. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    You have been played by the con artists in your party. Think rationally, how can everything Trump do be wrong? That blank assumption is not even rational. That is a scam since the left is impotent, and making a stink is the only thing they can do, to feel empowered. Fake news is all they have. Or they turn moles hills into mountains and then hype this like the world is about to flood. Scary cons are the trademark of the left.

    Con artist skills are not the skill set that the American people will vote for. Only those on the left, who falls for the scam, will gravitate to the fake promises candidates. Trump is being true to all his promises. He is not being two faced or creating surprises intended to deceive. He is a straight shooter. There are more smart people than gullible people, so Trump will be reelected based on results and honesty and not alternative reality and lies.
     
  8. Kittamaru No more Staff Member

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    Hillary needs to just climb back in her coffin and sleep for a few hundred years...

    At this point, I think a sunflower could do a better job than either mainstream party, since Republicans have shown they don't give a good flying fuck unless they can profit from it and/or push their personal bible-thumping views, and Democrats are so out of touch with their upcoming party base that they haven't got a foundation left.
     
  9. Kittamaru No more Staff Member

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    Well, lets see:
    http://www.chron.com/news/politics/...y-days-of-the-new-10945963.php#photo-12253817
    Day 1 - On Trump's relationship with the CIA

    The quote: "The media ... sort of made it sound like I had a feud with the intelligence community."
    Date: January 21, 2017
    Who said it: President Donald Trump
    Politifact truth rating: False
    Why: His tweets say otherwise.


    Source: Politifact

    Day 1 - On inauguration crowd size

    The quote: "That was the largest audience to witness an inauguration, period."
    Date: January 21, 2017
    Who said it: White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer
    Politifact truth rating: Pants on Fire
    Why: Crowd figures and photographs disprove Spicer.


    Source: Politifact

    Day 4 - On evidence of voter fraud

    The quote: "There's one (study) that came out of Pew in 2008 that showed 14 percent of people who voted were noncitizens."
    Date: January 24, 2017
    Who said it: White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer
    Politifact truth rating: False
    Why: Fact-checkers can't trace Spicer's statistics to any real study.


    Source: Politifact

    Day 6 - On murder rate in Philadelphia

    The quote: "Here in Philadelphia murder has been steady — I mean — just terribly increasing."
    Date: January 26, 2017
    Who said it: President Donald Trump
    Politifact truth rating: False
    Why: Trends show murder rate is actually decreasing.


    Source: Politifact

    Day 7 - On travel restrictions from the Middle East

    The quote: "If you were a Muslim, you could come in, if you were a Christian, it was impossible."
    Date: January 27, 2017
    Who said it: President Donald Trump
    Politifact truth rating: False
    Why: Thousands of Christian refugees have entered the country.


    Source: Politifact

    Day 10 - On Mexico's largest source of income

    The quote: "Here's the fact: The No. 1 source of income into Mexico are Mexicans working here and sending the money back."
    Date: January 30, 2017
    Who said it: Kellyanne Conway, counselor to the president
    Politifact truth rating: Pants on Fire
    Why: U.S. purchases of Mexican goods are the number one source of income for Mexico.


    Source: Politifact

    Day 13 - On the lack of a Secretary of the Treasury

    The quote: "This is longest that the nation has gone without a secretary of the Treasury, at least in modern times. If it's not the longest, it's darn close to it."
    Date: February 2, 2017
    Who said it: Kellyanne Conway, counselor to the president
    Politifact truth rating: False
    Why: The nation waited more than twice as long in 2013.


    Source: Politifact

    Day 13 - On the "Bowling Green massacre"

    The quote: "Two Iraqis came here to this country, were radicalized and they were the masterminds behind the Bowling Green massacre. … It didn't get covered"
    Date: February 2, 2017
    Who said it: Kellyanne Conway, counselor to the president
    Politifact truth rating: False
    Why: "Bowling Green massacre" never happened.


    Source: Politifact

    Day 16 - On his immigration ban and executive order

    The quote: "109 people out of hundreds of thousands of travelers" were affected by the immigration ban.
    Date: February 5, 2017
    Who said it: President Donald Trump
    Politifact truth rating: False
    Why: At least 60,000 travels were affected.


    Source: Politifact

    Day 17 - On terrorist attacks not being reported

    The quote: "It's gotten to a point where it's not even being reported, and in many cases, the very, very dishonest press doesn't want to report it."
    Date: February 6, 2017
    Who said it: President Donald Trump
    Politifact truth rating: Pants on Fire
    Why: Extensive coverage exists of terror attacks cited by Trump's administration.


    Source: Politifact

    Day 18 - On the nation's murder rate

    The quote: "The murder rate in our country is the highest it’s been in 47 years."
    Date: February 7, 2017
    Who said it: President Donald Trump
    Politifact truth rating: False
    Why: 1990s had the highest murder rate in recent decades.


    Source: Politifact

    Day 23 - On Bernie Sanders calling CNN fake news

    The quote: "While on FAKE NEWS @CNN, Bernie Sanders was cut off for using the term fake news to describe the network. They said technical difficulties!"
    Date: February 12, 2017
    Who said it: President Donald Trump
    Politifact truth rating: False
    Why: Bernie Sander's interview continued after technical difficulties were fixed.

    Source: Politifact

    Day 23 - On illegal voters in New Hampshire

    The quote: "This issue of busing voters in to New Hampshire is widely known by anyone who’s worked in New Hampshire politics. It’s very real, it’s very serious."
    Date: February 12, 2017
    Who said it: Stephen Miller, White House senior adviser.
    Politifact truth rating: Pants on Fire
    Why: Zero evidence exists to support Miller's claim.


    Source: Politifact

    Day 27 - On leaks and leakers

    The quote: "The spotlight has finally been put on the low-life leakers!"
    Date: February 16, 2017
    Who said it: President Donald Trump
    Politifact truth rating: Full Flop
    Why: Trump often praised leaks during campaign: "Boy, I love reading those WikiLeaks!"

    Source: Politifact

    That is about half of that article... but I think it highlights a pretty serious issue with the Republican White House and Party - they can't seem to open their mouths without lying about something or other... God help us all if they get a stuffy nose - the amount of bullshit that will leak out just from them mouth breathing would probably drown us all!
     
  10. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Tulsi Gabbard
     
  11. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    Who runs politifact? This is paid for by Democrat party donors. It was started by someone from the Washington Times.

    On day 24, for example, the report of New Hampshire voters fraud is based on people in Massachusetts, who also have summer homes in New Hampshire. New Hampshire is a excellent place for year round vacation and weekend getaways, due to mountains, lakes, sea shore and natural beauty; from hiking, boating, to skiiing.

    If your remember, Former Senator Scott Brown first ran in Massachusetts for Senate, and then he ran in NH for Senate a few years later. Like many Massachusetts residents, Brown has a summer home in NH, where he have paid property taxes for many years. This allows a dual state citizenship, which is honored in NH, but not the other way, around. People from NH are not allowed to claim the same in Massachusetts. The net result will be a NH liberal bias based on the live free slogan of NH and Massachusetts dual residency.
     
  12. Kittamaru No more Staff Member

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    Which has zero bearing on the accuracy of what is being said...

    See, Wellwisher, this is why people don't take you seriously. You seem incapable of accepting any information that DOESN'T get disseminated by your own party... which is the kind of attitude that got us in this mess in the first place.
     
  13. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    None of that is true, or even sensible.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PolitiFact.com

    Politifact was started by a Tampa Bay Times journalist, has branches in various other newspapers including conservative or rightwing, and operates without Party affiliation. It expresses and defends the "bothsides" meme, and has exaggerated the negativity of its descriptions of Democratic Party or leftwing lying to fit that meme.

    The Washington Times, which is not involved in Politifact, is a rightwing rag launched by the Reverend Sung Myung Moon and owned by the Unification Church. Democratic Party donors are not involved in its publications either - quite the contrary.
     
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  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Yoda.
     
  15. Kittamaru No more Staff Member

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    In other words, Wellwisher lied... again.
     
  16. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Perfect ad hominium. Sure not everything trump has done is bad (he rejected TPP, much to the quite consternation of his own party), not everything bush jr. did was bad (African aide) , but overall complete morons that did do retarded things that we will all have to pay for.

    What wrong with Tulsi Gabbard?
     
  17. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Hah. You have bowled him, middle stump!

     
  18. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Dunno. What's wrong with Yoda?
     
  19. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    ... he is a muppet.... is tulsi gabbard a muppet?
     
  20. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    The Democrats would be utterly mad to give Hilary another go. It's blindingly obvious the voters are looking for someone who represents a break with the past. And Hilary was pretty crap anyway as a campaigner. Her pitch seemed to be that it was just her turn, as an oppressed woman, disregarding the fact that she has been close to the centre of US power for 20 years already. Very unappealing.

    I'm no expert on US politics but it seems to me the right candidate will be unknown at this stage and will emerge to everyone's surprise after a couple of years. If there is an impeachment of The Chump, or a real constitutional fight over a free press, or against nepotism, or against using the presidency for commercial gain, all of which must be real possibilities, it might provide a platform for someone new and fresh to come to light.
     
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  21. Kittamaru No more Staff Member

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    Thing is, the Dems are pretty well divided... we need someone that can bridge the gap between the old guard and the new blood... and I honestly don't know if any one candidate can do that.
     
  22. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    As others have pointed out, it's not relevant, and it's not entirely true. Can you disprove the relevant information it has published? You cannot. Do you have any evidence it is "paid for by Democratic Party donors"? No you, don't because it isn't true.

    The unfortunate fact for you is that Politifact is a well respected award winning media outlet.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PolitiFact.com#History

    And how is any of that relevant and where is your evidence? Each state has its own residency requirements. Unfortunately for you and your Republican cohorts fact and reason still matter to most Americans.
     
  23. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Fortunately they did not; the majority voted for Clinton. However, we have an electoral vote system, and the con artist won.
    So he released his taxes as he promised to? Perhaps you can point me to the place he released them.
     
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