You think it's over?

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by Trapped, Feb 17, 2014.

  1. Trapped Banned Banned

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    Yes, you think I haven't posted here, that hopefully as a serious investigator into the UFO phenomenon has been tackled and that which I have brought up, is over and dusted.


    Well... no it hasn't... I have in my record, another seven UFO cases I wish to discuss. But since the majority of posters who actually involve themselves here have somewhat... became quiet over the issue, I want to ask you a relative question.




    Now... be careful. My question has a twist.

    Those who are skeptics, be careful as well concerning the science of ET life probabilities. The question is...






    1) do you think other life exists in this universe...





    ...? This is a question to the skeptics. If you say yes...I have another question.
     
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  3. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Sure - considering the tremendously high possibility/probability.
     
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  5. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    We have no way of knowing if there is life in the universe ouside of earth. I would say it is probable, but that is little more than a guess.

    Is this your last last thread on UFOs/aliens?
     
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  7. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Is BigFoot an alien waiting for the human race to destroy itself before taking the planet over?
     
  8. Trapped Banned Banned

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    A new question, if you consider it being a high probability life exists, do you think there is an equal amount of probability that there could be thousands of thousands of civilizations in a handful of galaxies?

    * drake equation can predict a million civilizations in just one galaxy.
     
  9. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    The Drake equation can also predict only a single civilisation in the entire universe. The output depends on the input and we have insufficient data, yet, to apply precise enough values to reach a sound conclusion. It is dangerous to extrapolate from a sample size of one.
     
  10. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    There is absolutely no way of knowing. I doubt that there are a large number of civilizations. It took 3.5 billion years for sentient being to evolve on earth. Seems to me that it was a special set of cirucmstances that led to humans. It sure does not look like sentient beings evolving is inevitable or even likely. But this is all a guess.
     
  11. Sorcerer Put a Spell on you Registered Senior Member

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    It's a tiny % of a very large number, so it's probably a lot in total but spread very thin. And, no, we will never meet them.
     
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  12. Enkai Registered Member

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    Considering research is showing that microbes were brought to earth on asteroids in the early days of our planet it is highly likely that life exists off of our planet is that to say the life is intelligent or would want any type of interaction with us? Definitely not. But the likelyhood of some form of life existing off our planet is very high. We spend too much time searching for and discussing the existence of carbon based life forms similiar to what we have on earth when in all reality whats to say it would even be remotely similar.
     
  13. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry but this is not true. This would be the most improtant news of the century - I don't recall hearing this.
     
  14. Trapped Banned Banned

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    ...Yes it can. But what is the probability of this?

    You've walked into a vicious circle, because statistically-speaking, life is highly probable. However, you cannot have your cake and eat it concerning whether it is prevalent in the universe; to say life is highly probable, must come from a basis. This base is the assumption that we are not unique and that there is far to much space and habitable planets (thanks to recent cosmological evidence), to even consider we are alone in this single galaxy we call our milky way.

    The only way to make sense of this, is by accepting it is far more possible that we are not alone in this galaxy, then selfishly assuming we are some freak event. Take Earth as a frame of reference to how life reacts to it's environment: Life simply thrives, in all kinds of environments. The actual spark of life has yet to be discovered, but we think it happened as some ... and I'll quote the popular terminology for this... a freak accident of nature, some three billion years ago when a prokaryote evolved into eukaryotic systems. Whatever our origin is, we know that life does not hold back, it thrives fantastically well and when given a chance, is pretty much relentless.
     
  15. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. I think another earth like planet host a human like species.
     
  16. Trapped Banned Banned

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    I doubt aliens have mammalian features... in the sense of human features, if they did, I'd have to argue they had something to do with tampering our biology in some distant past. After all, it would be by no coincidence for that would too large a one.
     
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    I think you are underestimating the intellect somewhat of some creatures on Earth. The Dolphin, Elephant and even our closest relative, the chimps and great apes all show remarkable intellect... yes nothing to our standard, but they possess a very unique and special quality we believe, that few animals fully understand or know. The ability to be aware of one's self. Dolphins for instance, can be marked with a red dot on the forehead. If they see themselves in a mirror, they recognize the spot and they start rubbing their heads against a hard surface as though an attempt to remove the mark they saw.

    Elephants and apes/chimps can all do the same thing. Earth, if it is to be used as an example, 3.5 billion years isn't long. The universe is about 14 billion years old... Life appeared 3 billion-odd years ago... the first galaxy we have detected, first started forming only 400 million years after the big bang. That's still a large amount of time for life to appear. As far as exobiological life goes, we are relatively young on the cosmological scale of things.
     
  18. Trapped Banned Banned

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    He's actually partially correct... though exact carbon dating methods could be in dispute and how much influence they had when entering an alien atmosphere, for instance.


    We found meteorites in Antarctica, which contained what are called Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons, which are generally believed to be the basic building blocks of carbon based lifeforms. We have also found anomalies in some of these rocks, such as magnetic residues which could indicate that it had been a ... micro-organism. It could also just be a natural form of magnetite.

    However, we have found some very very old bacteria in Antarctica, only a few months back when I read about it. This bacteria had been trapped there before man supposedly walked the planet. In the face of it, Panspermia theory is not fringe... it's a real accepted scientific theory, which actually has a lot of evidence backing it up now, since Fred Hoyle first made the postulation that micro-organisms could probably survive long periods of time in space. We now know he was probably onto something concerning the biology of some organisms, since the Tardigrade was experimented on in space... not only did the largest quantity survive the vacuum of space, they were very resilient against the cosmic radiation.
     
  19. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    So this is a long winded way of saying that it is not true that, "Considering research is showing that microbes were brought to earth on asteroids in the early days of our planet".
     
  20. Trapped Banned Banned

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    It was also my long-winded way of saying, he was right about there being a growing body of evidence to support it. You missed that one. Thought I'd best point it out.
     
  21. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, I think life is likely in the universe, probably even some intelligent life, but so what? That doesn't change anything about the lack of evidence of alien life coming to Earth.
     
  22. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Prove that there is a growing body of evidence that microbes were brought to earth on asteroids in the early days of our planet.
     
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