You need to follow Jesus with your heart, not your head.

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  1. Joeman Eviiiiiiiil Clown Registered Senior Member

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    I met a missionary at a coffee shop today, and he left me with this statement before he left. "You need to follow Jesus with your heart, not your head."

    I think this describes the problems of all Christians today.

    "Using your heart" utilizes the emotion part of your brain, which is quadrant C of your brain is responsible for.

    Quadrant A&B are responsible for quantitive and qualitive reasoning. (Quadrant D is responsible for creativity if you are wondering. I am using Hermann Brain model)

    This means Christians are only using 1 quarter of your brain and shutting off the other two. However, God does not design people ot think that way. You have to use all of your brain simultaneously. If you have to use both your heart and your head.

    I think this is why fundamental christians are so screwed up with the way they think.
     
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  3. Adstar Valued Senior Member

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    Yes the heart is foremost but the head can put armor on the heart. The heart can be worked on by other heads who are out there to undermine your heart. And still others who seek to sway your heart into deception. The heart needs a strong foundation and the more the head is engaged with the heart the more secure the heart is in faith.

    All Praise The Ancient Of Days
     
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  5. Katazia Black Mamba Registered Senior Member

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    Adstar,

    I’ll translate for everyone.

    Critical thinking can keep emotions under control and in appropriate balance.

    People who allow their emotions to rule are gullible.

    People who allow their emotions to rule are gullible.

    This is false. Critical thinking prevents faith from occurring and ensures the emotions do not rule.

    Kat
     
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  7. §outh§tar is feeling caustic Registered Senior Member

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    Who said using your heart necessarily means using the "emotion part"?
     
  8. Joeman Eviiiiiiiil Clown Registered Senior Member

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    Maybe, maybe not.

    Okay let me explain more here. Usually fundamentalists are not educated in science.

    Your heart can't think. Only your brain. Let me explain more about brain.

    This is what is known. Your brain has 4 parts.

    Quadrant A - Realistic

    Logical
    Quantitive
    Analytical
    Technical
    Factual

    Basically this quarter of your brain is responsible for logical or quantitive analysis.

    Quadrant B - Sensible

    Sequential
    Controlled
    Detail
    Organized

    This quarter of your brain is responsible for keeping you organized.

    Quadrant C - Feeling based

    Emotional
    Musical
    Humanistic
    Expressive
    Sensory

    This quarter is responsible for your emotion and feeling.

    Quadrant D - Idealistic

    Metaphoric
    Integrative
    Visual
    Synthesizing
    Conceptual

    This quarter of your brain allow you to put things in perspective or see things in "big picture" and be artistic and creative.

    Okay, the question is which quarter(s) of your brain allow you to have faith? Hmm....Personally I think Quadrant C only. That's your feelings and emotions. If you use your heart and not your head, the quadrant A of your brain is completely shut down.
     
  9. antifreeze defrosting agent Registered Senior Member

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    nevertheless, i think your quadrant C deals with emotions in a pure and primal form. dealing not so much with "spirit," rather, with emotional reactions to environmental stimuli. and i must say i really don't think people "feel" god in that sense of the word. i would therefore argue that the "heart" to which the priest man referred extends beyond C into both B and D, and perhaps - to some extent - even A. finally, i don't think you are referring to the functions of the entire brain, if so, saying that a person only uses a quarter of their brain is nearly as inane as saying the universe was created in six days.

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  10. §outh§tar is feeling caustic Registered Senior Member

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    I don't think the priest knew what these quadrants were when he referred to the heart.

    8Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

    Matthew 15
    17"Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.

    36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment.
     
  11. Joeman Eviiiiiiiil Clown Registered Senior Member

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    Back then, It is believed that human think with heart. We didn't know we think with brain until last few hundred years.
     
  12. Joeman Eviiiiiiiil Clown Registered Senior Member

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    This is sort of what I was getting at. Nobody can really shut off A B and D completely, but a person can let dominance of C into A B, and D. In fact, that's the way a lot of adolescent female thinks. They do a lot of things that are counter intuitive and drive guys crazy. This is how most of their brains work.

    Feel -> act -> think

    While normal people

    Think -> act -> feel or Think -> feel -> act

    A dominance of one quadrant can indeed sip into A, B, and D can cripple the other three. It is scientifically proven. If you are interested, do a search on "Herrmann brain" on your favorite search engine.


    Of course not. Some parts of brain are for involuntary movement, such as heart beats, breathing, and genital erection, and etc.
     
  13. Katazia Black Mamba Registered Senior Member

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    Southstar,

    Or indeed which bodily organs did what. It’s called ignorance, which is the basis of all older religions.

    Makes more sense to say “pure in thought”.

    Excellent example of biblical mumbo-jumbo.

    Clearly the myth-makers who wrote this were as ignorant as everyone else 2000 years ago.

    What’s your point, that you can quote worthless mythology?

    Kat
     
  14. Katazia Black Mamba Registered Senior Member

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    Antifreeze,

    Not sure that that matters – all emotions are generated by the brain.

    What do you mean by spirit?

    That would exclude everything, so heart doesn’t refer to anything then?

    Kat
     
  15. Katazia Black Mamba Registered Senior Member

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    SouthStar,

    The distinction was being made between heart and head. Head normally means the thinking part and that leaves heart to refer to the emotions. Kinda obvious isn’t it?

    Kat
     
  16. antifreeze defrosting agent Registered Senior Member

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    1. hey, i didn't make the divisions, blame hermann.
    2. well, by "spirit" i meant the regions of the brain involved in faith. though certainly not a soul.
    3. and i don't think the brain can be divided into a "heart" region and a "head" region per se.
     
  17. §outh§tar is feeling caustic Registered Senior Member

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    I thought you met him the "other day"..

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  18. §outh§tar is feeling caustic Registered Senior Member

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    I used the word "necessarily" to make my point.
     

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