Wunderwaffe.

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  1. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    No, I understand. That was actually one of the planned weapons they were going to make. Although I don't think they were working with aliens.
     
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  3. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Planned? PLANNED?
    They DID it!!
    Watch the movie...

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  5. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    Dial-up.

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  7. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    It's only a trailer for a movie they're trying to get funding for (the same people that made Star Wreck).
    The tag line is: In 1945 the Nazis went to the Moon. In 201o they came back!

    Lots of Stormtroopers and UFOs - should be funny.
     
  8. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    Ha. Seems kind of funny. Might be good.
     
  9. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    You are aware, of course, that the Americans used German research, development, and later scientists to create their own bomb?

    Don't ever come under the illusion the Germans couldn't have done it, and sooner than the Americans did. The only thing hampering them was a lack of resources.

    WW2 was a very close-run game.
     
  10. Enmos Registered Senior Member

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    Hey, that's all true. Just play Wolfenstein 3 and see for yourself

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  11. Killjoy Propelling The Farce!! Valued Senior Member

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    The defection/flight of the German physics "brain trust" after the nazis came to power was part of the reason their effort to devise an atom bomb failed.


    NAZI Germany could never have. Not only did they drive out their best & brightest, but the "Aryanization" of their educational system and "intellectual community" resulted in a bias against the very "Jewish physics" which were essential to the project.


    Nope.

    Nazi Germany had shot its bolt by 1942, and had gone off half-cocked at that. After that it was just a matter of how long it would take to beat them into submission.
     
  12. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. Among other reasons.
    Does that detract from the fact that it was them who came up with the concept - and not you?

    Yet the V1 and V2 projects came to fruition. Care to explain that?
    Don't make the mistake of saying "never". Events proved to be detrimental to the project. The project itself was a German thing... and had the war turned out diffrently, perhaps might have remained such.

    I'm not a Nazi sympathiser. Just don't assign credit where it is not due, and give it where it is.

    Strangely enough, however, the German projects devised during WW2 were the very ones the USA used afterwards as a precurser to the cold war.

    You claim to have beaten them into submission - perhaps you did, you yanks.
    Don't, however, ever think they weren't streets ahead of you in terms of at least imagination.
     
  13. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    Addendum. This topic aside, WW2 was indeed a very close run thing, on many levels.

    Feel free, Killjoy, to explain why it was not. Start another topic, if you feel it is warranted.
     
  14. Killjoy Propelling The Farce!! Valued Senior Member

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    Technically a Hungarian came up with it, not a German.
    But it seems to me it's also part Italian, Swiss, Danish, Austrian, British, and American - just to name the locales I'm aware of where scientists researching related concepts were from...


    Werner von Braun read Robert Goddard ?


    I don't think it's a mistake in the case of the nazis, though, because they were the biggest hindrance to accomplishing the thing. The "events" that proved detrimental to their efforts were their coming to power & ruling Germany, since they viewed the very knowledge required to bring it to fruition as "Judenvoodoo".
    I submit also that the war couldn't very well have turned out differently with the nazis running Germany because of other funky aspects of their Weltanschauung, or world view.
    Plus, neither the basic notion of an atomic bomb, nor the effort to produce one was solely the result of German science, so I don't see how it was a "German thing".


    Turnabout's fair play...


    Not just the USA. I mean the Allies.

    Between the USSR, Britannia and the USA, the German army was ground to a bloody pulp, her navy was blown out of the water or sunk in port, her air force was shot out of the sky, her infrastructure was shattered, and her cities were pulverized or incinerated. If that ain't a beating, I dunno what is !

    Sure, they had some whiz-bang ideas - a few of which they even managed to pull out of their asses and put into action - but were they any more innovative than the Brits inventing the first computer to read Enigma code messages, or the US using high-frequency radar to spot U-Boats with even just their periscopes or snorkel tubes above the ocean's surface ?
     
  15. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Marquis, the instant the German scientists willingly came to America they became American scientists. Dont pretend that just because they are some ethnicity that Germany gets credit for it.

    Yah you know what? The fact is we did it first. So you can give all the scenarios you want but the fact is we did it, and they did not come close to a fully operational and deployable weapon.
     
  16. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Marquis, the fact is history is on our side. Give all the scenarios you like but the fact is that the allies won the war.

    They came up with the concept.

    The fact is Da Vinci came up with the concept for a helicopter, but do you think we give him credit for the first flight? No we dont.

    They came up with some cool and idiotic concepts, but we made them work.

    Making up the concept is 5% of the work. We did the other 95%
     
  17. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Germany lost the war the second they declared war on the US after Pearl Habor. And chances are with the Russians they were already doomed.
     
  18. Killjoy Propelling The Farce!! Valued Senior Member

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    eh...

    Maybe it looked that way for, like - a minute or three - when the Moscow skyline could be glimpsed from the turret cupolas of those dinky Panzer IIs and Czech T-38s, and it looked as though the latter-day "Samurai Spirit" had turned the Eastern Pacific into a "Japanese lake", there was this wee little window where the Grossdeutsches Reich and the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere could be seen through the misty mists of what might have been...

    ...But then the Rooskies started crankin' out 50 thousand T-34s, and came roaring out of the East with an entire new Red Army...The Brits came back to haunt the night skies over the Reich, kicked the Huns out of Egypt, and ground the Japanese to a halt in Asia...The Arsenal of Democracy poured out a such flood tide of material that hundreds of bombers a day were eventually pulverizing Germany while simultaneously incinerating the cities of Japan, a new and vastly more powerful US navy both took back the Pacific and helped drive the U-Boat menace from the Atlantic, and the US Marines & Army carried out an invasion of the Japanese Empire and the nazi Reich at the same time...

    Damn...now that I look at it again...

    Close ????

    Those lousy Axis sons of bitches never stood a God Damn chance !!!

    LoL
     
  19. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    seriously

    The US arguably put out an even greater insane amount of war materials than any other fighting power.

    We started the war with half a dozen aircraft carriers, by the end 161 US aircraft carriers had seen action.

    In 4 years more than 100 carriers had been built, that is f*cking incredible. Not to mentions hundreds of destroyers and cruisers.


    The US was a compromise between the ridiculous ability of Russia to spam units, and the technological prowess of Germany. We didn't have the top of the line tech, but it was above average and we could pour out tons and tons and tons and tons and tons of it.
     
  20. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    300,000 Aircraft
    88,000 Landing craft
    215 Submarines
    147 Aircraft carriers
    952 Warships
    86,333 Tanks
    531,000,000 Tons of bombs
    12,573,000 Rifles/carbines

    Your right when you said we produced more stuff.
     
  21. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    i was gonna say that

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  22. desi Valued Senior Member

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    Germany invented the assault rifle as we know it today. If they had that earlier in large quantities who knows what they would have accomplished. Same with their rocket technology that got the US to the moon via the operation paperclip German rocket scientists.
     
  23. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Russia. 1916.
     

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