Were you expecting things to bounce right back? Rome wasn't built in a day. It took well over 20 years to create this mess, it's going to take a bit longer than 2 to clean it up. Even when Obama first took office he said that the economy would probably not recover completely during his term or even during whomever's term is after that. Even a politician with all of the best methods for fixing economies in the universe wasn't going to be able to immediately stop America from sliding down the icy slope it was already sliding down. It took time but things are improving and it seems like they are continuing to do so. It's untrue to say the country's outlook is worse than it was when Obama first took office.
This is the kind of idiotic shit we see on even a forum like this one. That is what happened Tuesday - not a referendum on Obama's policies.
So are you including the eight years of Clinton in your 20-year stat, during which time virtually the same economic team Obama initially had, drove economic policy?
So Ice and Spider's entire argument is that whoever Fox want's wins? Wonder why didn't that work 2 years ago? Because the voters, unlike your blame game, aren't stupid Keep repeating that mantra, "If you weren't so supid, you'd vote for us" or "If you only knew all we did for you, you'd vote for us" and see if you ever get your party re-elected. Arthur
On the contrary, they focussed on almost nothing except jobs and the economy for the entirety of 2009. As you mention directly below: All that stuff with the banks and the car companies - the stuff that y'all are going around claiming represents a communist takeover or whatever - was nothing except focus on the economy and jobs. To the point of alienating a lot of core supporters, since it left little time for his various promises to the gay community, Hispanics, etc.
No. Don't be stupid. Some are, obviously. The ones at issue, however, were systematically misinformed and ignorant regarding Obama's policies. The question was whether their votes constituted a referendum on those policies, and the observation was that that was not possible. Nothing can be done about people whose entire political ideology consists of defending the chip on their shoulder from anything Fox identifies as a threat to it. They will grow up or they won't, on their own terms. It's the reasonable majority whose victimhood by the current propaganda operations can be addressed - first step, public establishment of physical fact.
No, the mainstream media didn't do a very good job of covering the issues either. The independents couldn't get fired up because things are still bad, they are angry, and when people are angry, they don't make good decisions. I'm not saying Obama will be our savior, our problems run deep, but the Republicans are outright crooks. Their goals will be tax cuts for billionaires, privatising social security, and undoing legislative reform of wall street. You will see. This is the last gasp for the GOP, an aging and increasingly extreme party who's base is older and not very well informed.
Sure, they spent some time on bailing out the banks and passing meaningless -- in terms of impacting the average America -- stimulus packages that propped up the very same people who brought us to the ruination in the first place. But Obama said he would focus on jobs last January and he did not do that, so far as I can tell. We got lip service occassionaly, to be sure, like the chimera of "Green Jobs," whatever those are. But nothing tangible. It was all health care, an issue nobody cared much about then or now -- and we see what that got him and his party. Stick to what I write. I am not making any claim Obama is a socialist or anything like that. On the contrary, I am extremely upset he coddled Wall Street and the Banks as much as he did. My point is that people are not so stupid as some would have us believe. When Bank of America post record profits and AIG continues to give people lavish payouts and both were kept around with tax-dollars, people smelled a rat. And they were right, if you ask me. The only problem is that it's not like the Republicans would have done anything different. They invented TARP.
Idiotic? Seems spot on from where I stand. He should have left the banks that were going under because of their bad banking policies fail and then only the good ones would have been here, instead he bailed out the bad banks and they all got billion dollar bonuses for their good work given to their managers. Then he should have withdrawn all the troops out of the Mideast again saving a great deal of money but alas he didn't and more money is being wasted there still. So many better ways to deal with economic problems than just throwing good after bad, wouldn't you agree?
It doesn't matter, Obama would be attacked for anything he did, and nothing like that would have fixed the economy, so the Dems would still lose. You are trying to make rational sense out of the non-rational.
I support the president's policies in a number of areas, Spider, but I really think he lost the plot on domestic issues -- at the very least, how he handled and communicated those issues. And I think he admitted as much yesterday.
Yeah, I see your point, the older we get the dumber we get, while those 20 somethings really know their shit. Arthur
And that is what the corporate propaganda operations persuaded to vote for the nearest Republican. That is what happened on Tuesday - not a referendum on Obama's policies.
The sharp-eyed voter spots the fraud and knows who to blame, and the Rove operation pats him on the back and congratulates him for not being stupid. Let's check 'em off: Obama bailed out the banks, and protected the big money guys using taxpayer dollars - that stuff you hear about with bankers lining their pockets is Obama's doing. The stimulus package had no effect. The health care system is OK as is, and has little effect on jobs and similar issues we care about. Clever people see through Obama's elitist frauds and fancy speeches, and know who to blame for their problems - they aren't stupid, like the liberals think, and they can smell a rat. So they should vote Republican. And that's what happened Tuesday - inculcated ignorance and provoked angry confusion voted Republican.
Really ice? and the Democrats what have they done about NAFTA and GAT? And yes it is a referendum on the agenda of the Democrats in control of congress for the last 3 years and Obama for His agenda for the last 22 months. The message since 1995 is cut the size of government, cut government spending, reduce the deficits, reduce the national debit, get business back on track, and make it possible for business to higher Americans and lower the unemployment. That is the message, and the Democrats haven't delivered in the last 3, Bush didn't over come the Democrats and deliver in next 8, and the Republicans were blunted by the Democrats in senate by filibuster the 4 before that.
Ice, seriously. Get a life. I've asked you about a dozen times to stop labeling me with your ridiculous assertions. You insist on continuing. That you insist on doing so despite numerous posts -- that you have read, including one in this thread -- in which I essentially say the Republicans are beholden to corporations (See my "the only problem is that it's not like the Republicans would have done anything different" comment) reveals that you are just out to grind some axe. And you should stop. And try acting like an adult sometime.
Actually most voters aren't though. Typical though, when you lose it's only because the voters were stupid. Were they just as stupid when you won?
