Xev, Then get over it. It isn’t worth dying for. Oppressed people throughout history have endured worse. Is it? Pride is an illusion, it isn’t necessary. Irrationality leads to death. Life requires the rational and isn’t therefore arbitrary. Perhaps the issue should be whether life is of value which is implied in the opening post.
Cris: It isn't worth dying for in your value system, but maintaining integrity would be worth dying for in some value systems. So are many things that add piquancy to human existance. You will die eventually - under what circumstances you will live seems to be a more poignant issue. To an extent, all value systems are arbitrary. I have the highest respect for rationality, but Goedel has relevence. I apologize for the diversion - I am not myself sure of where I stand and I'm playing devil's advocate here. Perhaps this is off topic.
Minor incovenience?? It would seem you are guilty of over simplyfying the matter as just minor incovenience. Ok i realize that you have come to grips with the facts that pride isn't the "Be all and end all" factor in your existence but still that is not a minor incovience that one must suffer everyday. Being belittled by your boss or school pears is grossly inferior to physically pleaseing a gang leader in a abhorrent state of confine,even if the latter is ephermal in comparison. Its psychological damage is far exceeding than that of the former. Being violated without notice (rape) is mentally draining enough for people but being forced to do so everyday in all full knowledge that one must undertake such actions again in the forthcoming day to me seems far more worse than doing unwanted things for 1/3 of the day. I guess our definition of Pride lies far on the opposite sides of the spectrum.
Sargent, Repetition dulls the mind. Many prostitutes have related what they think about when satisfying a John and it usually isn’t anything to do with sex. It’s a simple mental technique. The initial experiences are going to be extremely stressful, but after 100 times or less it will become just an inconvenience, assuming you have the mental ability to deal with it. Note that the physical aspects are not particularly significant it is only the intellectual realization of the act that can emotionally exaggerate the event. Consider those who are forced to care for their paralyzed relatives and who can’t afford professional help. Bathing someone else, relieving them of their bowel waste and urine and feeding them, are all very unpleasant tasks. It has to be done so they just get on with it without thinking about it. You mean potential psychological damage. Some people will be extremely stressed out at being belittled by their boss while others will dismiss it as unimportant. The damage incurred will be a direct result of how the victim perceives and handles the event. Being continually angry at an action over which you have no choice fulfills no purpose other than to cause you emotional stress. As with many unpleasant and recurring events in life, one must learn to deal with them or be forever stressed out. Anger is yet again one of those really pointless and useless emotions that fulfill no beneficial purpose. Only if you choose to allow yourself to become stressed. It is all a matter of mental discipline. Try a good meditation technique for a while and perhaps you might begin to understand what I mean. No, I suspect you cannot imagine giving up your pride. Note there is no physical pain here; it is all in the mind. The stronger the mind then the easier it will be to overcome the illusion.
It's guys like me and Skins that would keep that shit from happening in the first place. However,Cris,if you want to walk around with your ass sticking out,I am sure someone will adopt you. And get used to biting pillow.Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
where are the guards in all this? your relatives on the outside would fight your case in court for the prison to protect you. to answer the question, i'm a fighter. no one violates me. as long as it was one on one i'm confident i could kill him. if more than one i'd be able to fight and hold them off but not do a lot of damage. it would cause enough ruckus to alert a guard at any rate.
Yah,where are the gaurds? *racking my tin cup up and down the iron bars.* Officer,..oh officer.Ummmm...can I have my own cell please.
Swedish some of these criminal in these prisons are so organized and ruthless that most of the time guards don't care to intervene with such actions being forced upon others. A lot of the times these ganglords and criminals keep everything hidden. You can be abused for a while before anyone even cares to fight for your right and many times guards know what goes on but are powerless to do much. How many people have such mentality as that you have described here? Prostitues do it for money, not because they are forced to.
You would be suprise what could happen to you in prison Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! PRISONERS' VOICES: Out of fear for my life, I submitted to sucking his dick, being ****ed in my ass, and performing other duties as a woman, such as making his bed. In all reality, I was his slave, as the Officials of the Arkansas Department of Corrections under the ‘color of law' did absolutely nothing. — M.P, Arkansas, pro se federal civil rights complaint filed 8/2/96 When I first came to prison, I had no idea what to expect. Certainly none of this. I'm a tall white male, who unfortunately has a small amount of feminine characteristics. And very shy. These characteristics have got me raped so many times I have no more feelings physically. I have been raped by up to 5 black men and two white men at a time. I've had knifes at my head and throat. I had fought and been beat so hard that I didn't ever think I'd see straight again. One time when I refused to enter a cell, I was brutally attacked by staff and taken to segragation though I had only wanted to prevent the same and worse by not locking up with my cell mate. There is no supervision after lockdown. I was given a conduct report. I explained to the hearing officer what the issue was. He told me that off the record, He suggests I find a man I would/could willingly have sex with to prevent these things from happening. I've requested protective custody only to be denied. It is not available here. He also said there was no where to run to, and it would be best for me to accept things . . . . I probably have AIDS now. I have great difficulty raising food to my mouth from shaking after nightmares or thinking to hard on all this. . . . I've laid down without physical fight to be sodomized. To prevent so much damage in struggles, ripping and tearing. Though in not fighting, it caused my heart and spirit to be raped as well. Something I don't know if I'll ever forgive myself for.— A.H., Indiana, 8/30/96
I agree with james r's post. survival is survival. However i also agree that the amount of rape that goes on and is allowed to go on in prisons is a big social problem that someone should be tackling. I gues it is hard to know when there is consent in an all male prison with some prisoners willing- sex is natural outlet and shouldn't be enforced no sex as a rule, but certainly inmates should not have to be subjected to rape. But is it possible to organise a system and train people and have enough people on staff to prevent it. Is there some way to better organise things?
