Would you believe in curses?

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  1. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Because you can try to imagine a life totally different. I could never picture myself as a sheriff, and if by chance I was one, maybe it would be cool to distance myself from the reality of the job?

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    http://historyofmassachusetts.org/the-curse-of-giles-corey/

    Kinda sounds suspiciously like karma, though?

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    And if you wanted to waste 6 minutes of your life.
    https://www.facebook.com/ComedyCent...witch-trials-drunk-history/10156430413379030/
     

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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Don't all sheriffs die of something?
     
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  5. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I should guess?

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    I also guess I could also believe in curses in a different time
    https://www.google.com/search?q=sneeze curse&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab

    But really have no clue.
     
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  7. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    It was once believed that the soul temporarily left the body when a person sneezed.

    Blessing the sneezer was alleged to prevent a demon or the devil from taking charge before the soul could return.
     
  8. Bebelina kospla.com Valued Senior Member

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    That was interesting, was this Corey one of the Salem witches then?
     
  9. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    So be careful not to sneeze over your left shoulder because the Devil is sitting there.
     
  10. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Learning, and new borns are curses. When we can be knowing, and be loving.
     
  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed. I once had an old Gypsy Lady stick me with a textbook on the Fundamentals of Algebra and a 1-day old baby.
    To this day, I still carry them around, unable to break the curse.
     
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  12. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I wouldn't know, but maybe he was cursed with bad genes from his lineage??

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  13. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    One could conceive _X_ data either way, according to differing contexts of either strict standards of a profession or the fluid liberties of a personal thought orientation. Probability as tool for exposing a string of supposedly related events as a faux pattern/meaning. Or recruiting probability as a smoke-screen for anonymously smuggling metempirical influences into a natural model of the world.

    Statistically, there are eventually going to be "bad luck" events that can be mapped to an unusually extended sequence for whatever select category. Just as planet Earth itself is an example of the opposite: A very long timeline of "good luck" in terms of not only remaining biologically viable but even producing an intelligent species -- both surviving and dodging various mega-disasters which doom most of the initially promising planetary candidates in the galaxy to lifelessness.

    Digging around in history, something discovered via either arbitrary search or cognitive bias can be found to pin blame on for what's later conceived as a "cursed series". Just as Earth's prolonged "winning" streak might be imaginatively construed and personified as a guardian watching over it.

    Each generation seems to deem law enforcement as experiencing unique upticks in heart conditions, stress-related high blood pressure, and other ailments. When instead it's likely a universal or general "regardless of time" side-effect which comes with the occupation.

    Heart attacks a rising deadly weapon among cops
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...tack-law-enforcement-officers-deaths/2586077/

    Police Mag: Heart Trouble
    http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/articles/2014/05/heart-trouble.aspx

    Cops: The biggest killers may be stress and depression
    https://consumer.healthday.com/ency...health-news-507/cops-and-sheriffs-646422.html

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  14. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    One of the best explanations for curses and how they work that I have ever heard is from a former Satanist......
    he is really quite interesting.......



    Defeating Witchcraft | With guest Speaker Ex-Satanist John Ramirez
     
  15. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i thought curses come under "religion"
    what % of religions consider curses to not be real ?
    20% ? less ?
    so the majority of religions consider curses to be real
    thus making it a democratically classified fact of "religion"

    not parapsychology, parapsychology is secular
    so it comes under religious belief.
     
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  16. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    My off hand guess would be that about eighty to ninety percent of Christians would probably tend to laugh at the idea of somebody being able to put a curse on them somehow???

    My wife is from Ecuador and she certainly seemed to have a higher tendency to believe in the miraculous both from the darkness and from the light..... than most of us in North America tend to believe in.
     
  17. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i guess i could probably pull some stuff to form a scientific evaluation of data from americans
    but i cant be bothered because it is un-important to my evaluation of their values & beliefs as i have stated my opinion.
    you would need considerable resources to prove i am wrong
    i dont think i am wrong
    i think it sits inside an aspect of religious belief as a core personal value
    from a religious scholar perspective we could draw on conclusive aspects around belief in a holy spirit
    then the variant belief in this having an opposite companion in dark spirit, which would probably become very much the majority in a lot of American Catholics & Christians.

    i have no need to undermine the christian or catholic church so i dont need to turn into one of those evangelical extremists to validate their own production of hate.
    lol does that make me christian spirited in values ? probably

    what do south American(cultures) people believe if they dont celebrate their dead & bring them food & light fires for them ?
    curses ?
    is evil bad luck equal to a curse by its definition of terms ?
    how many black Americans believe voodoo is real enough to validate the potential realness of a curse ?
    possible quite a few. at least as many as those whom go to black baptist churches.
     
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  18. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    One part of the whole formula would be the ability for some types of ritual to induce an out of body state such as the gifted Ingo Swann seemed to be able to do naturally.

    His capabilities were the subject of several interesting studies.
     
  19. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    belief versus perception
    religion versus experience

    curse versus bless('es)

    catholicism as one easily identifiable example defines the need for salvation as an external act to remove negative effect of internal

    thus lifting of a curse

    the act of going to church
    or praying 4 times a day

    etc
    the act its self is the intent to lift a curse based on the explicit definition of negative infliction to physical reality of the internal

    err-go
    it would be easy to align the basic belief that all those who believe they must go to church every week/month &/or pray every day
    believe in curses

    and ... that 'conceptual manifestation' of 'physical belief' covers several different religions which encompasses a vast majority of the human population(some 60% at the very least)


    so to the thread subject
    not your desired conversation?


    yes curses are VERY real to a majority of religiously self defined people
    please feel free to critique my logic & apply questions(challenges to my assertion, it will not offend me unlike most people) etc
     
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  20. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 71 years old Valued Senior Member

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    If only there were a prayer to eliminate WOO WOO

    Guess that would come under a prayer committing self elimination

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  21. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    I have to admit that this idea is logical.....
    but I hadn't really thought of it quite that way before!

    You could well be correct that the percentage of us who believe in curses in some form or another could well be far higher than I had thought?!
     
  22. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I think curses come from aliens who undergo near death experiences.
     
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