Would any alien visitors be friendly?

roadkill said:

This is a bad example; the aphid "farming" is more like symbiosis than slavery. The ants don't actually do anything to the aphids except eat their sugary excrement. We shoot animals in the head and make them into pie and shoes and things. These are not the same kind of relationship because they have different consequences for individuals of the subject species.

DON'T GENERALIZE BETWEEN SPECIES! This is a favourite tactic of every sociologist, to claim that human males are aggressive because female hyenas have penises and garbage like that. Just because we do things that are superficially similar does not mean that they are the same. That was my point!

 

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Beings several billion years more advanced than us would have evolved to a state were nothing bothers them except power.
In which, no army will be able to defeat the individual who has artificially upgraded his body to that of spectacular endurance, and the energy of a million suns.

Men,
Will be destroyed, or perhaps, trained up into warriors, who will be implanted with chips that will program their brains after a certain period of time

They will be sent to planets that have, what is considered by the Freezer empire, a lower advanced and much weaker evolution than that of the human, in terms of Ki powerlevels, and after a certain amount of time a human warrior will make light work of their puny planets.

The flag of Freezer will wave on every planet in the galaxy
And then the Universe

Until, the messiah of existence comes on the scene.
The saiyin race. Whose power levels will crush Freezer and his indestructible shell into a billion pieces.
Only the righteous super Saiyin will succeed.

 

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But who will save us from the righteous super Saiyin?

Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodies?

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Servabo Vos

 

What makes you assume alien visitors would be permitted to interfere in our causes and effects when there would be no way to work out cause and effect?

Will never happen, pal.

You guys with capricious notions about the universe never cease to amaze me.

 

What makes you think they wouldn't be allowed? What makes you think they would care about cause and effect?

 

Because natural laws sustain the universe in balance between causes and effects, and some of them extend to human behaviors.

I am quite aware of the fact that I'm talking to somebody totally ignorant of them because it's common in this tail end of the Dark Ages with your kind.

Just as your ignorance does not preclude those natural laws from extending into your life, it also doesn't matter with others.

 

What if an alien caused you to die? Like, with a gun or something?

Would that be violating a natural law? That would be pretty much cause and effect, right?

 

Hahnemannian,

I'm going to ignore your obvious and totally unfounded insult, and go strait to the point.

What does cause and effect have to do with an extraterrestrial species, they would be bound to the same laws of nature that we are. Either explain exactly what you mean or stop talking total rubbish.


P.S.- Stop talking like an overinflated balloon and make your point. Anyone who can't debate in a civilized fashion without resorting to insults towards the other party in the conversation shouldn't be part of the exchange.

 

BigBlueHead gave the extreme example of cause being impossible to work out to effect since they couldn't incarnate into our life wave, but anything else is impossible since causes have numerous subtle effects, so it's impossible and is not permitted.

Some natural laws extend to human thought and action, so such interferences in another humanity are simply not permitted.

It is therefore extremely capricious to even ask the question, and everyone answering it with hypotheticals are simply demonstrating ignorance of this primary fact of existence typical of the patriarchal attitude within an Apollonian worldview in Western cultures.

The fact that those answering without this knowledge -- which is surely part of common sense given that cause and effect extend throughout the universe in all arenas of action -- are scientific personality types only further displays why the sciences are in such turmoil shown by all of the assumptions underlying wrong conclusions within all major paradigms are simply wrong.

Okay dokie?

 

I think this is an excellent example;

how can it be possible to anticipate the psychology of an alien species which does not resemble humanity in the slightest, and has evolved from an ecology of organisms all of which are completely unrelated to anything found on Earth;

...when there are examples of human psychology that are as difficult to understand as that displayed by some of the posters you find on these internet forums?

(no names no pack drill)

 

Ebu:

Hahnemannian's example has nothing to do with psychology. (Unless we're talking about his own.)

You see, what he's talking about is this:

If you take lame Western mysticism and combine it with a stupid take on String Theory you end up with a fascinatingly idiotic idea. All things have a "life vibration" which (according to Hahn at least) means that we are prevented from interacting with them because they vibrate differently from us - hence, we have no access to them at all and vice versa.

This idea of ontological subjectivity is a crippling mental fault. It's one thing to say that we might not be able to sense aliens (if say, they were only visible in the microwave band, or were represented by electrostatic fields). In this case we might have a lot of trouble interacting with them.

What Hahn is saying is ridiculous, because he is claiming that all aliens would not even be real for us.

I would imagine that this attitude falls out of the rather miserable attempts to scientifically justify the concept of "subjective reality" - that is, that if something is true for you (such as that you are alive) that doesn't mean it's true for other people.

Of course, if this was the case then any and all logical inquiry would go right out the window. Ya might as well be a solipsist if you believe this, 'cause you don't have any frame of reference with any other living thing if it's true anyway.