Worlds of What If...

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Xylene, Jan 26, 2005.

  1. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    What If antibiotics were never discovered?
     
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  3. jennyRater Luck B me 2nite Registered Senior Member

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    Thered be a lot less people in the world today
     
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  7. Xylene Valued Senior Member

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    That would not be such a bad thing, I'm thinking.

    However, what if Mohammud had been assasinated by his enemies in Medina instead of getting word of the plot and fleeing to Mecca?
     
  8. Xylene Valued Senior Member

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    Imagine what would have happened to South American if the Spanish hadn't popped round.[/QUOTE]

    Ah, yes, but that would have happened if Ferdinand and Isabella had not decided at the last minute to back Columbus' plan to explore westward. They initially turned him down, then changed their minds after he'd left. The Spanish messengers from F. and I. caught up with Columbus just as he was completing entry formalities on the Portugese border. Now imagine total Portugese control of the South and Central American region.

    Alternatively, Columbus initiall approached the Genoese, who weren't interested; also, I believe he approached the Medicis or Sforzas of Italy (can't remember which) who weren't interested; he then approached Henry VII of England, who wasn't interested (I bet he was kicking himself for that mistake). Ferdinand and Isabella were very much an afterthought, and it was pure chance that people speak Spanish in South/Central America these days.
     
  9. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    What if insects ruled the earth and humans were treated like the insects are now?
     
  10. Xylene Valued Senior Member

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    What if any of the other odrders of life (reptiles, amphibians, etc.) had ended up running things? There was a comic I saw once where a Human was on the run from a pack of humanoid foxes on horseback.

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  11. rognop Registered Member

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    I study history, and I guess your point is right. The Pacific theater had indeed it's turning point by Midway. The question, how the Americans won this battle, and that they made it by pure luck, well, I guess it's not so.

    -Actually nobody knew that midway was a decisive battle.
    -Nobody knew, who won, in the first few weeks. Don't forget that Yamamoto-s plan was quiet large, and they allso had distraction- fleets up to the aleutians.
    -The battle was not won by the american forces, instead, it was lost by the japanese navy. Big difference.
    The main what if- in here is, why did Yamamoto halt his forces, after loosing four carriers. Why hawen't he start the main thrust, thowards the known positions of the american forces. With his main fleet, he could have whiped out Fletchers remaining two carriers, which had fewer planes, and exhausted flight crews. Besides, Fletcher only had a few cruisers like the Astoria, and a limited number of destroyers as escort.
    Just imagine the Yamamoto, the Ise, Fuso, and Kongo class batleships starting their barrage out of sight of Fletchers forces, because the main guns range was like that. And imagine the japanese cruiser force emerging on the flanks. Well, two carriers would not been able to slip out of that. It would hawe been a slaughter.

    I guess, Yamamoto had a certain fear of the americans as a whole. He feared their industrial, social, and economic capacity. He newer actually aimed to destroy the us Navy. He could have done that in Pearl. But like then, he allways drew his forces back home, before they could hawe finished their job. Don't forget, there was a plan for a third wawe of fighters and dive bombers prepaired to Pearl, as a mop- up force, but when the staff objected this to Yamamoto, he denied them to attack.

    My opinion is, that this battle was The turning point in the war. Knocking out the americans out the pacific region would have freed a massive force of japaneese strike capacity to concentrate against the english in the region. The us politics could not show any victorys in their war in the asian region. Probably the us government would have fallen under the stress of the society. Soon the english would came in a political confrontation with the us abbandoning the asian region. This battle would or could have caused a disorder in the Allied high command. While this, the convoys would been threatened by a possibility of japaneese carrier forces apearing from the south atlantic in coordination with german naval forces, and that would been disasterous to the convoy operations.
    A german fleet defended by japaneese stike craft would or could have been a nightmare to the atlantic allied forces. If only the bismarck was able to cause such a panic it did, imagine a four carrier based fleet, sailing to attack conwoys from the air, while german u-boots attack it with no fear of allied air strikes. Well, i guess the conwoy operations could hawe come to a halt after such a battle. And with the russians?
    Well, japan coud have hold down a massive amount of russian forces in siberia, and so the whole moscow- saving operatin or stalingrad could not have been made, due to the fact, that the unimaginable amount of russian forces came from the siberian regions, from the borders with manchuria.

    If the americans had lost Midway, this world would not exist. Or not as we know it.
    Try Philip K. Dick: The Man in the High Castle. I guess that depicts the wolrd after such a battle quiet well.

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  12. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    What If we had won the Battle of Sharpsburg?
     
  13. gnasher Registered Senior Member

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    Hmm. I reckon tea would be a lot more popular in New York. And Great Britain wouldn't have bankrupted itself in the 1940's, leading to it having an evil exploitative empire today. The British (I am one of them) would still have their 'superior' approach to life. But it would be a lot easier to justify. Given that everything worth inventing came out of that little island, we would have exploited the inventions properly. Bloody clever Americans nicking the ideas and making them work. You should be ashamed of yourselves and be more like Canada.

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    Great Britain would probably have let Hitler have Russia because India was worth more. But then, we could have already have stolen it years before. We were on the way with the Czar until Mr Lenin stepped in to spoil the plan.

    If the Boston tea party and the following events had not happened, I would be driving a Morris Marina Mark 6 or an Austin Allegro Type 4 car. Thank you USA. Thank you all very much.

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  14. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Oh stop acting like you don't anyway...

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    What if the Mongolians had actually conquered the known world and made a one-world government?
    WHAT IF THE WORLD LEARNED HOW TO GET ALONG!?!?!11?!!1?1

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    What if the Mongols had got rid of all the Chinese (apart from the occasional slave, maybe) and turned China into a vast farm for breeding horses? One of the Khans planned to do that, until he was reminded by his advisors that dead people don't pay taxes.
     
  17. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Well, actually, historians have theorized that, if Khan Ogadei had not died when he did, he would have led his invasion of Europe with utmost success. It is further theorized that the Mongols would strike through Russia & Turkey and conquer Poland, Lithuania, the Tetonic Knights, the Holy Roman Empire, the Lombard states, France, and Scandanavia within 5-10 years. Eventually Spain and maybe even England might have fallen under the yoke of the Khans.
     

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