World War 2 movies and today

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Cazzo, Mar 28, 2008.

  1. Cazzo Registered Senior Member

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    Before, during, and after World War 2, Hollywood pumped out hundreds if not thousands of anti-Nazi films, portraying the evil Nazis for who they were.

    Move forward 60 years.

    Today we have radical terrorist muslims who don't think twice about wrapping bombs around themselves, or innocent suckers, and blowing up as many innocent civilians as possible.
    When Germany was liberated from the Nazis after WW2, were the SS going on bomb suicide missions to blow up innocent German civilians ? NO
    This shows how much more evil and fanatical of an enemy we're dealing with today.
    Today we have a terrorist war started my suicidal lunatics slamming jet loads of innocent people into buildings, killing thousands more innocent civilians as a result.
    Today we have an Iraq war, where millions were liberated by an evil dictator, the U.S. starts helping them rebuild what Saddam let fall apart, then months later more fanatics start blowing up innocent people in Iraq by the hundreds day after day.
    Then to top it off, left-wing radicals (like Ward Churchill and others) are constantly making excuses to help the terrorists, by blaming the U.S. for what the terrorists are doing !!! Ahhh, the U.S. brought democracy to Iraq, that's evil by left-wing standards, lets do everything we can in propoganda to help those terrorists out. Of course, left-wing news media outlets are happy to help with the propoganda.

    So back to Hollywood. Seeing how much of a more evil enemy we're dealing with in today's war, and Hollywood could EASILY put out as many or more films about todays anti-terrorist war. Why is it you think that Hollywood has put out practically no movies about this war ? and the ones they do put out rarely demonize the terrorists like they did the Nazis in WW2 movies.
    Why ?
     
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  3. Ganymede Valued Senior Member

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    That's because the Jews hold most, if not all of the power positions in Hollywood and the US media. Ofcourse they're going to villify their arch enemy. That's why on Al Jazeera, Jews are villified to no end, because it's ran by Muslims.

    Move forward 60 years.

    Can you tell me the difference between a suicide bomber, and a military leader who cluster bombs civillian area's, and then justify this barbarism by saying, we had to kill one terrorist, and the other 10 childern who died were just collateral damage.

    You're missing the point, the Germans exterminated their own citizens too (jews) because they didn't like them. And that's what's happening in Iraq, Sunni's killing Shia, vice versa.

    Did you sleep through History Class? Christains and Muslims have been at each others throats for centuries.

    Wow, the Iraqi's are worst off under the US occupation, and that's a fact.

    March 17, 2008

    GENEVA -- Five years after the U.S.-led invasion to topple Saddam Hussein, many Iraqis still lack access to basic health care, sanitation and clean water, the International Committee of the Red Cross said Monday.


    http://www.suntimes.com/news/world/846284,CST-NWS-iraq17.article




    Democray? All we did was empower the Iranians, now Iran has complete control over Iraq. We can barely keep Americans alive and safe in the green zone.


    Question, how many Iraqi's have died by us munitions? How many US soldiers have died from Iraqi munitions? Please provide a number, I don't want to hear your latest talking point. Just state a number, you can't because you know you'll expose your blatant hypocrisy.
     
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    For your 1st comment about Jew dominated Hollywood, if that was true, all the more reason they'd want to put out anti-muslim terrorist movies about the present war..

    Your sarcastic remark about killing 10 civilians with a cluster bomb to kill 1 terrorist is just that; SARCASTIC, lacking fact. I'm sure you'll find a couple examples of collateral U.S. damage, and try to make it sound like the norm rather than the exception.....
    Funny how leftists go ape-shit when a U.S. bomb causes collateral damage (perhaps because terrorists are hiding among civilians

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    ), yet leftists have nothing to say when a terrorist DELIBERATELY blows up innocent civilians by the hundreds, or better yet, they find a way to blame it on the U.S. rather than the terrorist commmiting the terrorist act...

    Where did I ever say Christians and Muslims have not been at it for thousands of years ?

    Yes Iraq has become worse off, why ? Perhaps it's because of the thousands of terrorist acts in Iraq killing thousands of Iraqis and sabotaging Iraqs infrastructure. That's a no-brainer.
    The U.S. would have had the same problem in Germany and Japan if terrorists did this after WW2, but they were more civilized after the war, and look where they are now.

    I don't have an exact number of causes of death in Iraq, but seeing all the suicide bombings by terrorists in Iraq over the years, I'd be willing to bet a VAST majority of civilian deaths in Iraq are at the hands of terrorists.
     
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  7. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    But....I was told.....by fearless leader......the war was over .......and we won.........that was 4 years ago!
     
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    And some terrorists and opportunists kept it going...

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    Still doesn't answer my question about Hollywood.
     
  9. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    Why would you want to spread hateful propoganda like that. Plus people can get crazy, I saw first hand what people did to others of middle-eastern descent right after 9/11. It was so disgusting and terrible to know that people like this live in your own backyard. Being a minority myself I think it would also been a lot easier for nazis to blend in with the general populus here in the US because... well... they were white. White people with a certain belief system. However now this appears to be an issue thats more about race than its is about beliefs. For people who are of middle-eastern descent and regardless of their religion they are still prosecuted, because of the "color of their skin". As for Hollywood, most people here are the left-wingers you were talking about so you sort of answered your own question.
     
  10. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    darnit, I thought this was about favorite WWII movies.

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    Total Iraqi civilian deaths.

    Documented civilian deaths from violence

    82,566 – 90,086

    US soldiers and contractors, 4,000







    The Israeli's proved in the Jenin Offensive that house to house extractions work, you don't need to level an entire building to kill one terrorist.






    Actually, we blame religon itself, but it serves no purpose to add fuel to the flames, by putting military bases on Muslim soil. How would you feel If you have to drive past an Suadi Arabian military base that's located in the center of your town?




    Atlast, we agree on something.

    When you vaporize over 200,000 people with a weapon that no man has seen before, trust me you'll do what you're told. The US and Brittan completely leveled the Country of Germany. They suffered over 1.6 million civillian deaths. Trust me, when you see that many of your fellow countrymen die, self preservation takes over, and you do exactly what you're told.
     
  12. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    dresden ever hear of it
     
  13. Cazzo Registered Senior Member

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    What does the bombing of Dresden have to do with Hollywood avoiding making modern war movies ?

    If you're talking about the allies knowingly killed 20,000+ civilians in that bomb raid, that was "1" old incident you're using to prove what ?

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  14. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    strategic bombing at its core is terrorism
     
  15. Cazzo Registered Senior Member

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    Bombing a military installation is strategic bombing, so what. :shrug:
    I doubt most people would call that "terrorism".....

    What's the individual bombing of Dresden have to do with Hollywood's avoidance of making modern war movies showing the evils of the terrorists ?
     

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