World suicide prevention day 2011

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  1. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Attention seeking:

    This one is on self harm

    This one is written by students

    Isnt it interesting how all the proffessional sites are almost word for word on that
     
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  3. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    on FRs comments that we shouldnt interfear

     
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  5. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    My advice to anybody who gets faced with the "Take me back or I'll kill myself," from an ex?
    Call the police on them immediately and tell the police they just threatened to kill themselves.
    You can't let that manipulation work.

    Hm. I daydream about it so regularly that it no longer worries me until I feel motivated to do something about it.
    This bit me in the butt a little while back with someone. I didn't realize how serious he was and he laid his arm open...
     
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  7. CptBork Robbing the Shalebridge Cradle Valued Senior Member

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    Fact: People who make absolute generalizations about the motives of individual human beings as an entire collective don't know WTF they're talking about, and are liable to cause a great deal of suffering in their intrusive and abusive efforts to provide help that isn't really helpful.
     
  8. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    And yet, an essential part of being considered "normal" in our society is precisely to make absolute generalizations about the motives of individual human beings as an entire collective.
     
  9. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    People are complicated.
     
  10. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    The best definition of marriage Mrs. Fraggle and I have ever heard was on Star Trek:TNG. In fact many of the wisest quotes we have in our little journal are from that show. Those writers were really good.

    Counselor Deanna Troi said: "Marriage is an agreement to share who you are with another person." After 34 years, I wholeheartedly vouch for that.
    In the last ten years, peanut allergies have killed as many Americans as terrorists. During that same decade, one hundred fifty thousand Americans were killed by drunk drivers. (Some of those dead people were the drunk drivers so if you're one of the twelve people in this country who never ever ever ever drive drunk your odds are a little better than that.) Isn't it interesting (I can think of several other appropriate adjectives) that nobody wants to start installing breathalyzer interlocks on every car at the factory, which would cost only a few billion dollars a year and be about 99.9% effective and not interfere with anyone's rights? Whereas we were quite willing to spend three trillion dollars which we didn't have, in addition to incurring myriad disastrous second-order effects, to fight a "war" on terrorism whose effectiveness is completely unknown?
    You should read Richard Bach's very short book Illusions. (He's the guy who wrote Jonathan Livingston Seagull, which I've never read, so I can't comment on any similarity or difference, but he's an extremely good writer.) He calls people like that vampires. Think about it: A "polite" vampire would say to you, "You have to let me swallow some of your blood or I will die! You don't want to be responsible for my death, do you?"
    That's all very nice. But psychology is one of the "soft sciences," about as devoid of rigor as economics and arguably a good deal less scientific than even linguistics. So this amounts to nothing more than a professional opinion by one member (or perhaps several) of a profession that is not held in very high regard by the average citizen.

    I suppose I would like to see the credentials of the person who wrote that. Clinical psychologist? Social worker? Statistician? Professor? What kind of evidence, and how much of it, was analyzed to cause him/her to make those assertions?
     
  11. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    That would be a general opinion held by most clinicians that Asguard quoted, I believe.

    I'm sorry you don't regard psychology as reputable.
    But seeing as that's so I'll feel free to disregard your opinions on my desired field of work in the future...
    I'm sure you can handle that.
     
  12. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    that's a very good comparison. :bravo:
     
  13. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    'in memory of those who have lost a loved one'? shouldn't it be 'in memory of the loved ones' not those who lost them? :shrug:
     
  14. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    This girl isn't committing suicide any time soon. Murder, on the other hand...yeah, if I ever go completely offline it's cos I'm sitting in jail

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  15. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    I knew there was some reason I liked you

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  16. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Sadly people like FR like to dismiss it right up to the point they need it, for instance when your sitting in a police car trying to calm a girl having a panic atack while the police negotiate with a guy screaming and threatning everyone with a knife. That took every trick "psycology" and mental health nursing taught me to keep her calm (right up to the point we had to run away).

    There was a saying i herd yesterday "there are no athiests in fox holes", i think the same applies here, its very hard to sit back and call psycology irrelivent when your working on the front line.
     
  17. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    I'm less-well versed ...but I'm pretty decent at calming people in the midst of a flipout, and generally willing to get involved. The result of this has been people flipping out in my general vicinity.
    Considering I actually find it gratifying to help off-the-wall people and want to learn to do it better, I think I'll be good at it.
    Now I just have to screw my head on straight enouhg to get a master's and get on with it.
    *Pulls up jockstrap*
     
  18. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    a lot of what people call psychology, others call common sense. Its just easier to swallow coming from someone with nothing invested (like a marriage counselor)
     
  19. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    anyone know if there were less suicides on Suicide Prevention Day?
     
  20. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    They won't know until next year, I imagine...
     
  21. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    well then I wonder how last years 9/10/10 day went
     
  22. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    Nobody seems to take stats on individual days.

    Just off the top of my head bipolars tend to be worse in the spring and fall-more likely to cycle, something to do with the shifting amount of daylight.

    Suicides tend to be at their worst right after the holidays, a lot of people put it off until after Christmas/New years.
     
  23. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    (Emotional) vampirism is well-known.

    E.g.

    Emotional Vampires: Dealing With People Who Drain You Dry

    The Emotional Vampire Survival Guide: Emotional Freedom in Action
     

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