World suicide prevention day 2011

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Asguard, Sep 9, 2011.

  1. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

    But you are its parent, or at least I hope you have a DNA test to prove you are, and must be listed on the babies birth certificate at the time of birth if the mother so chooses. So you will always legally be known as the father of your child no matter what anyone else says.
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  3. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

    was this thread really created about 9/10 being suicide prevention awareness day or yet another reason for you to complain about your rights?:shrug:
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  5. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

    we had a member here who killed herself (Lucifer's Angel). She loved her children to pieces, but they weren't enough for her to stay
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  7. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

    A large portion of the people my government (and the poorly-raised kids who are willing to join the army) are killing in the Middle East are not criminals. In a real war, the vast majority of the people who are killed on both sides are not criminals. So I have no idea what you're talking about. If you're focusing on capital punishment, which is a trifle compared to the death toll from war, then please bear in mind that something like 20% of the people on death row have been found to be innocent, so it's reasonable to assume that a similar percentage of the people who have already been executed were also innocent.
    Yeah, all the really great countries like Iran, Burma and Russia. We're in good company.

    Americans are always shocked and embarrassed to discover that the maximum penalty for any crime in Mexico is twenty years, and has been since their grandparents' era. Of course now twenty years in a Mexican prison can be pretty crappy...
    My wife worked on the psych ward of a major hospital for several years. She saw what was going on inside.
    Let me make sure I understand this. You're suggesting that a person who is in agonizing misery should spend twenty years living with it, in the hope that some day somebody will find a way to fix it? I would certainly rather die than go through that!
    Teenagers have not fully matured. That's why, technically, we still call them "children." Their brains are still growing and their endocrine system is still hyperactive. It's quite reasonable to hope that a teenager will actually "grow out of" whatever is bothering him. It's not nearly so reasonable to hope that for a grownup.

    A weaker case could even be made for intervention with twentysomethings. The assertion has been made and supported that humans don't develop their full adult sense of judgment and responsibility until around age 30. Nonetheless they do have adult brains and adult feelings.
    Isn't it selfish to want someone to live with intolerable pain, in order to spare us the pain of missing them after they're gone?
    Life is complicated, duh? There's usually plenty of blame to go around. A lot of young people who still live at home have utterly horrible home lives. I will never forget mine and I will never forgive my parents for making it that way, even though they are long dead. I never considered suicide, but I have also never totally recovered from my distorted childhood. I would never second-guess someone who, in my position, decided to kill himself.
    Blessedly, it's much less common now. But in the 1950s and 1960s they very carefully referred to each other as "roommates" and made sure that if someone dropped in unexpectedly there were no clues to the true nature of the relationship. And they were more than ridiculed. They could lose their jobs and even be victims of violence in the backward, heavily Christian regions of the country.

    It was only in the 1970s that "coming out of the closet" became safe for most gay people in most places. And even though it was "safe" in the literal sense of not being beaten up or shot at, there was still plenty of discrimination in housing and hiring. I had a government job for almost three decades and even in the early 1990s there was a much larger percentage of gay people among my coworkers than in the private sector. Very similar to the situation with ethnic minorities and even women.
  8. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

    The guy who came up with the "Suicide will never not be an option; make it the last one," argument? He had spent most of 20 years in severe depression and the general unfun of being asperger's and alone in a neurotypical world.

    His survival strategy was, I kid you not...a model railroad setup, with a village in it... we at the mental health forum were rolling in laughter when he put zombies in the polite little model churchyard...

    I can look back and say I was depressed at 10, clearly severely depressed by 11 (6th grade), did not get treatment until I was almost 17...back then I didn't have the resources to fight it. I was getting physically/verbally abused at home, and bullied at school.
    It was way worse as a child.

    My mom's been a psych nurse for 20 some-odd years...and I was hospitalized for six weeks, turned 17 in the psych ward. It was annoying, but not some awful place, and mom's psych hospital isn't particularly awful either.

    In that particular girl's case...she'd just been raped again...if she'd had a better therapist-her therapist was incompetent...she might have made it out alive and healed...
    If it were intolerable all the time, yes. But my experience, and that of most sufferers, is that it comes in waves? So it's a matter of getting through a few hours or a day or two of agony...then you get a breathing space...the sunlit moment...and the next wave hits...and you bear that one...and then release...
    And I am grateful to be here...the majority of the time. On balance.
    I still think I would have shot myself if my wife had not locked my pistol. So...I'm here because of that, I think.

    I've had good years...which suggests strongly I can have them again...but one of the things about this disease is you rapidly lose that perspective.
    One time I thought "I'll never get better, I should kill myself," and then I thought, "WAITAMINUTE! I was ok two weeks ago!

    So, in two weeks I'd gone from okay to cognitively distorted.

    That's one of the things the severely depressed need-an outside perspective that it can and probably will get better, that they need to get up and try something different to fight it, that they are worth the fight.

    I go to my friends and ask them to tell me they need me, ask my wife to tell me she needs me. Then I can think I'm worth fighting for, otherwise I tend to loathe myself profoundly.
    That's my own brain wrinkles there...YMMV.
    Last edited: Sep 10, 2011
  9. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

    Oh god, LA killed herself, WHEN?:’( I had no idea, i thought she had just left which is why she stopped responding
  10. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

  11. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

    Why the mad face? She had said she was leaving because of various reasons and i waant here in 2009, how the fuck was i suposed to know?
  12. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

    there is a mad face because you are very self-involved and the world revolves around you. You want people to be suicide aware, but only as it relates to your wants. Bullshit you weren't here in 2009

    and don't swear at me you little tool
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2011
  13. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

  14. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

    After you mentioned she killed herself...I went and looked around...there was something about her cancer returning?

    It seems very sad to me.
    But I understand the impulse to do it too well.
    When I talked my friend out of suicide I cried my eyes out because I know exactly what I was asking of him.
    How hard it is to stay here. I felt...guilty, even though he was asking me to convince him not to do himself in. Like I was strapping him into a torture device with loving kindness.
  15. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

    @ Fraggle...what do you mean by intervention?

    ...I have yet to call the police on someone to stop them from offing themselves, if that's what you mean.
    When I went inpatient, it was because I said I wasn't sure I could avoid the temptation to kill myself, and to please put me in a hospital where I'd be kept from doing it.

    And...that's not why I try to prevent someone from killing themselves.
    It's because I think they can still have a life worth living.

    I've met a couple people was severely depressed, the other had a schizoaffective diagnosis...
    And these two different people were literally that bad and that untreatable...that I began to wonder if suicide constituted a reasonable decision on their parts. But those two people are...rare cases.
    Very few people that hard to treat and in that much pain. Very few.
  16. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

    but why would they let you know they are killing themselves if they are not asking for your help in stopping? If they really wanted to die, wouldn't they just leave you a note and do it?:shrug:
  17. Anti-Flag Pun intended Registered Senior Member

    Wouldn't this just increase suicides on other days?
    It really needs a better title, to suggest we need one special day to prevent such a thing is less than encouraging for the other days of the year.
  18. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

    Death is scary?
    Someone usually is asking for help, but what if they don't feel helped enough, or they were just saying goodbye or something?
    I dunno, I hope I don't ever decide I have to do that?
  19. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

    murder has crossed my mind more often than suicide. part of being married I guess
  20. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member


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  21. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

    Its more a matter of spreading awearness of the problem, what to look for and how to deal with it.

    Its the same as breast cancer awearness day (though that is actually a month)

    The problem with this seems to be that (at least here) its being overshadowed by the US rembrance day, which is sad because every year in Australia as many people die from suicide as died on 11/9/01 and in the US the statistics are even worse, 86 people die every day and an attempt is made every 40 SECONDS
  22. NietzscheHimself Banned Banned

    2,160 attempts per day and only 86 successful. People kinda suck at killing themselves.
  23. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

    they want the help they need.

    our drunk neighbour called his ex and told her he was gonna kill himself if she didn't come over and take him back. She ignored him (he'd done it repeatedly before). He shot himself in the stomach. He was waiting for her to come over and she never showed. He passed out before he could call 911. He bled to death
    When does it become emotional blackmail? "If you don't do what I want I'll kill myself"

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