Women. Religion’s longest running victims.

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  1. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    I cannot see what that fallacious claim has to do with your prior fallacious claims. You do not know what has or has not affected me. Whether you like it or not.
     
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  3. andy1033 Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

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    You have been impacted from 1700+ years of catholic dominated western society. You speak english so i assume you have been impacted from western society.

    Those in africa or india, have never had this, and are chaotic societies. Europe and west would of been like this too, if it was not for the church. So you have been impacted.
     
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  5. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    You are very good at making assumptions. Repeating your fallacious assumptions does not make them valid.
     
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  7. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    Stranger - you have been requested, multiple times now, to back your counter-claims and refutations of what is being said here... and repeatedly you have failed to do so... are you incapable of doing so, or simply trolling?
     
  8. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Not quite Society without man made rules falls to Darwinism and survival of the fittest. There is "order" it's just not beneficial to all, only the select apex few that can survive.

    Religion has always been about control, it was invented to give the slaves a kind of hope that didn't lead to revolts against their masters.
     
  9. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    Social Darwinism is easier for men, then women, since this is what war, survival and pioneer adventure is all about. Eve (woman) prefer the tree of knowledge of good and evil, since she benefits more by laws/rules of good and evil over freestyle without fixed rules. What tends to happen are the rules needed to benefit the women, may help the women, but do so in ways that create a handicap for the men; dual standards. If such rules downgrade the male, society will not be optimized. Adam (males) may eat also, but this often leads to problems for both because of the dual standards.

    As an analogy, say we line everyone (men, women and children) for a foot race. Typically the younger stronger males will dominate the race. The women might want the glory of winning, and complain about there needs to be an equal chance to win. This may not happen very often in a natural world because of innate differences. We need to change the rules to make the unnatural result appear more often. To make it work, we may need to add handicaps to the young males by tying their legs together. These young men deserve this for being so mean to the ladies and not letting them win over the centuries.

    Lowering the floor on one group, to allow the others to appear to rise, is not going to lift up any culture in the long term. The best possible future requires the best people are able to run free and not be tied down to benefit a set of ginned rules The same is true vice-versa. The laws, rules and regulations, is more like a make-up job that looks good but hides natural blemishes.

    When men and women marry and get close, the male often gives his wife plenty of liberty with her often leading many things. The rules of religion are there to keep the ladies from pushing too far, with their men, because there is point where diminished males will not be worth the social cost of make-up women. Adam eats of the rules too and both he and Eve, eventually get stick in a bind.

    Picture a person who builds a company in the free market of business darwinism. This person is able to compete and win with minimal rules in a world where the competitors come up with unique and changing strategy. Another person wants to sit at the big table. but can't do it in the free market. To make this work, that person make need to gin the system with politics to change the rules so the first person can't function properly. One can justify these rules with sob stories, hate the free market rhetoric, and historical guilt. Adam has to learn to say no thanks,and ask Eve to jump in and learn to swim without her floaties.
     
  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Or just have separate events for women and men, which we do. The downside of that is that professional victims such as yourself could not struggle and bleed on your cross as effectively.
     
  11. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Minimal rules = the ability to cheat and create monopolies
    But I guess that's your ideal world.
     
  12. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    It should be obvious that I would know better about what does & does not affect me than someone who does not know me. In the other thread I expressed my opinion the same as you. You admitted you were incorrect on 1 of them. You called me a troll 3 times in less than 24 hours for disagreeing with you. Should I take that as a warning from a Moderator or only attempts at insult? I think I should consider myself incapable of participating in the forum you moderate.
     
  13. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    You may think it obvious... but is it truly? Sometimes, an outside perspective can be necessary to further your own growth.
    The reason I am calling you out for trolling is that you are, by all appearances, being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse. You have not contributed much of any real meaning, and simply stating you disagree with something without giving any explanation on how or why is...well, meaningless and pointless content; something that is stated quite clearly to be against the rules of this forum.

    To be frank... this wouldn't bother me.
     
  14. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed, patriarchy is the result of the free market at work on gender politics. The strongest get to bully the weakest.
     
  15. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    In a nutshell, do you believe in the law of the sea? Women and children to the lifeboats first.

    If so. Gnostic Christian men believe that we are all equal in the legal sense. We then recognize that as the strong, it is the first duty of men to insure the wellbeing of their families. Women and children are to be elevated and maintained for the best possible end. Men ar to die for their children and not do as God did and demand a human sacrifice to corrupt his justice. I digress. This does not mean that we would stop strong women from serving the weaker. Exceptions are allowed.

    Regards
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  16. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Well put.

    You might look into Gnostic Christianity then. We do not abide by such either.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded



    http://www.thesongofgod.com/tgc/basic_beliefs.html

    Regards
    DL
     
  17. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    This is ancient knowledge. You would have thought all spirits would have noted it.

    Regards
    DL
     
  18. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    If they were not the majority, the O.P. would not have needed writing.

    Religions and their men are the curse of women. Not the various Gods.

    Regards
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  19. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    You are correct that it is a social problem and the vast majority making up that society are the religious who are denying women their rights.

    He will rule over you is the mantra of the vast majority.

    I appreciate your political correctness but women are being denied freedom from male who deny them equality partly because women are too politically correct with vile immoral men who are too stupid to recognize political correctness.

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  20. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    We are talking of rules like the U. N. bill of rights for equality that the U.S. would likely fail if stringently applied.

    No one is talking getting rid of rules. We are talking about initiating just rules that go against what your religion teaches.

    You should be on this moral side instead of where you are.

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  21. river

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    More advanced people of Humanity , want Women to be intelligent
     
  22. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    No argument.

    There are not enough of them it seems or we would not have this topic.

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