Women don't need men ?!

Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by Emil, May 31, 2012.

  1. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    Emil, you've provided no real information as to the basis of the O.P.
    The O.P. is false: Women and men 'need' eachother just fine.

    Spidergoat summed it up. What more needs to be said?

    Anything else must be a personal issue on your end. Unless you're willing to disclose that- the O.P. is a moot point.
     
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  3. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    Hello Emil.

    In today's society, women have far more opportunities than even a few decades ago, at least in most of North America. Many women are also postponing the raising of a family so from the perspective of financial security, they are no longer reliant on a man to give them standing in society.

    A greater percentage of people are finding more acceptance of their sexual orientation and same sex couples, of both genders, are becoming increasingly more common, as is same sex marriage in many jurisdictions.

    Women no longer 'need' men to fulfill the role of provider, for themselves, or even if they choose to have children. One could also state that men no longer 'need' women to define them in today's society.

    The majority of people still express the need and desire of companionship and love.

    That seems unlikely to change, in my opinion.

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  5. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    Frankly, it seems more even handed- In today's financial state, both parties seem to need to be working to make ends meet.
    It's more equal, not fully and even so, single people tend to "need" a roommate to make the rent.

    Emotional fulfillment doesn't appear to have changed very much. People still believe in it, want it and still make a lot of bad decisions trying to get there until they either manage to get it right, give up, screw up so badly the damage cannot be undone or settle for whatever will tolerate them.
     
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  7. Emil Valued Senior Member

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    C'mon Neverfly, on what world you live? Why do not try to look on the link I posted?

    "Women Don't Need Men" by Henry Makow Ph.D. :

    Kelly McParland: What if women don’t need guys any more, and guys don’t care?"
    Dalma Heyn - Why Women Don't Need Men
     
  8. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    You didn't post a link. You posted a google search list.
     
  9. Emil Valued Senior Member

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    hi scheherazade,

    I understand what you mean. But this statement, in my opinion, has also an emotional dimension.
    What do you understand if I declare that I don't need a woman?
     
  10. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    Jeez! You snapped at me, but were all nice and sweet to her!

    I demand fairness! I demand equal treatment!
     
  11. Gremmie "Happiness is a warm gun" Valued Senior Member

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    Try growing boobs, and wearing high heels...

    Just a thought.
     
  12. Emil Valued Senior Member

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    A link with links, does not it?
     
  13. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    Sylvia Browne failed to tell me which one you intended to be clicked on.
     
  14. Emil Valued Senior Member

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    Yep, and you can not handle.
     
  15. seagypsy Banned Banned

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    What does being a minority have to do with anything. Do you think this issue affects minorities differently?

    It is common that people treat certain words as if they have subjective meaning. Need and Love are two words often treated this way.If you want to use the Webster's dictionary definition that is fine and I prefer it. No need to be snarky.

    You posted a page of links, not a single one. Why the accusatory tone?
    If you are going to post a topic, be clear what the topic is. Do not post random ramblings and expect people to just KNOW what you are on about.

    Now to answer you question, Men and women need each other for somethings and for other things they do not. Not really that complicated.

    If you want to get on the emotional part of it. In the past women were conditioned to place self worth in approval from men. Women's place in society has come up and so has their sense of self worth. They no longer feel that they have to have men's approval in order to have value as a human being.

    That is what it generally means when a woman says" women don't need men"


    I am not aware of any society or time period in which men EVER needed women's approval for validation. So for a man to say that means nothing to me. And it shouldn't hurt your feelings if a woman does not need your approval. it has nothing to do with you and everything to do with how she values herself. unless you are just a bastard that tries to belittle her. Then she may feel the need to point out the obvious to you.

    wise men know that women NEVER really needed their approval. And they treat us with more respect as a result.
     
  16. Emil Valued Senior Member

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    Just on the topic:
    The relationship between man and woman is not based on mutual understanding?
    Wise people (men and women) know that men and women need each other.
     
  17. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    Then I shall attempt to answer your remark above from the emotional context.

    Perhaps we have been sharing a few drinks and laughs getting to know each other at a local community event, say a Bluegrass Festival or something of the sort. We have only just met, but from your body language and behavior, I am of the impression that your orientation is heterosexual and you seem to be 'into' me. The topic touches on relationships and you remark that you have been living by yourself for the last seven years and you 'don't need a woman'.

    I might wonder from that if you were perhaps lacking in libido, even though sparks seem to be happening.

    Or I might get the sense that you are telling me right from the get-go that while you might care to tumble me, that you are not the sort to make commitments.

    I might wonder if perhaps you were autistic to some degree and not able to engage at the emotional level although desirous of physical affection.

    Perhaps you are trying to convey that you are not ruled by your hormones and that your interest in me is genuine interest in me as a whole person and not merely a circumstance of physical 'need'.

    Those are just a few of the considerations that come to mind when a man remarks that he does not 'need' a woman.
     
  18. seagypsy Banned Banned

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    Or he may be deluding himself.

    Or he may be trying to convince the lady that he is not thinking about 'only one thing'

    or he may be trying to remind himself not to get attached to the idea of a relationship with the lady because the last relationship went so badly.

    @emil
    relationships are based on mutual understanding, but there is no rule that the relationship is a requirement. There are people who remain celibate their entire lives.

    also there are many types of relationships. Are you specifically referring to the romantic relationship? a marital relationship?

    You really must tell us exactly what you are asking for clarity on.
     
  19. Emil Valued Senior Member

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    If in this stage you telling me you do not need a man (for whatever reason) our possible relationship as man and woman is closed.
    Yes, we can remain friends.
    What does it mean when a woman says to a man "I did not need a man"?
     
  20. seagypsy Banned Banned

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    It depends on the context of the situation. Who is she saying it to? What tone is she saying it in. It could be any number of reasons, just as it could be for if the man says he doesn't need a woman.

    Has a woman said this to you? If so, maybe if you fill us in on the events that led up to her saying it then maybe we can tell you why she may have said it with more clarity.
     
  21. Emil Valued Senior Member

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    Let's see my point of view because it is easier.
    I'm talking about the man woman relationship where is sexual attraction also and not about friendship.

    If a woman tells me "I do not need a man", then any serious relationship is excluded.
    I am convinced that any serious relationship between man and woman begins when both recognize that they need each other.

    But if I just want an adventure, this statement is convenient because it absolve me of any responsibility.
    If you do not need me then you can not have pretensions from me.

    (What would be a society where " children and men first", in an emergency?)
     
  22. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    Are you referring to an emotional need or to a financial need for a provider?
     
  23. Emil Valued Senior Member

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    I think I clearly expressed. So that you can and understand, is important if you need a woman and why?
    Are you able to express an opinion of yours?
     

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