These questions need to be asked. If you are so concerned about the "life" that was created out of sex, why are you only concerned about women who have consensual sex and not others, who are victims of sexual violence? Why does that "life" matter less for women who are victims of sexual violence, but women who consent to sex are somehow irresponsible and thus they waive their rights to their bodies as a result? Do you understand how, ermm, twisted your argument has been in this thread? Do you understand how sexist it has been? Do you understand that you have spent pages slut shaming women who have consensual sex for reasons other than 'makin' babies'? So again, why do you refuse to acknowledge all women who seek abortions and their circumstances surrounding that need for said abortions? Why do you focus solely on women who dare to "think that sex is merely recreational"? Seriously? Is it so hard to have a discussion about abortion without resorting to these kinds of scenarios? I mean, are you going for shock value? Do you understand why the circumstances change after birth? Do you understand that it is no longer residing inside the body of another person? Do you understand the argument of her body at all? Do you understand that personhood cannot be granted to a foetus because it is not a person and because it resides inside the body of its mother, and thus, it is impossible to have competing interests as a result? Oh yay, more taking my comments out of context. Yay you! Well done. Nope. Once again.. Do you want me to use smaller words, perhaps? Because you seem to be having difficulty understanding that "it is her body and not my place or anyone else's place, to tell her what to do with it. It is her body, her life and her decision. It is private and personal matter, between her and her doctor. It is not my place or society's to judge her as being irresponsible for wanting to procure an abortion".. How you went from that to implying that women are somehow or other saying that 'they can always just get an abortion' or that I am implying this is an okay thing from that, god knows. Guessing that pretzel still has room for you to twist it. I beg your pardon? Are you trying to ask questions about my sex life, Dave? Or are you perhaps trying to imply that I feel ashamed for having sex? Oh noes, I have sex for reasons other than procreation. Does this mean you think I should forfeit or have waived rights to my body? Do you want me to quote your words back to you? You can just scroll up and read what I quoted from a few posts on just one page in this thread. You want to argue again if I think it will carry any more weight? Were you possessed when you wrote that? You don't see just how you are slut shaming women with comments like that? You didn't actually answer the question. What gray area? It's inside her body. She has her fundamental human rights to her body and if she chooses to abort, it is a private and personal matter, something between herself and her physician. It's not that hard really. Perhaps you should re-read what I have been saying, and what you have been saying and you can explain how or why you think we are in agreement. Otherwise, I'll just assume that you are deliberately misrepresenting my words and taking them out of context in a pallid attempt to appear to be clever with word games.