I'm interested in L. Wittgenstein. I want to know what relevance he has to lifes. I'm curious about his truth for people and responsibility. What's Wittgenstein all about? Anyone care to talk?
This can include others; ...what's his name... Ayer? I don't know, the language dudes! Anyway, previous still holds- .
What's he all about?? The goal of philosophy is the clarification of our thoughts through the analysis of language. That's it.
He is about reducing the variables to a manageable level for the human mind, to keep unknowns and unproveables from muddying up our equations. On one level this is great, on another foolish... you decide which.
He sed: Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. The thing is, how does one figure out whether something is unspeakable, or not ...
I have had many shared 'weird' experiences where those present have all without discussion or dialogue observed the 'unspeakable' rule. Just a glance of acknowledgement that we all saw, heard, experienced, but that it was not something we wanted to verbalise or rationalise, merely forget. I guess when something is 'unspeakable' its generaly relating to something you wish to imagine never took place, or the topic again is something you wish didn't manifest in reality. Something that either disgusts you, shakes your belief system or frightens you. meanwhile : unspoken rules: from web "Unspoken rules are behavioral constraints imposed in organizations that are not voiced or written down. They usually exist in unspoken and unwritten format because they form a part of the logical argument or course of action implied by tacit assumptions. Examples involving unspoken rules include unwritten and unofficial organizational hierarchies, organizational culture, and acceptable behavioral norms governing interactions between organizational members."
To solidify your own feelings of the sensibility of throwing out undefinable variables, you read some dead guy who was respected by many people and you attach the value of that to the value of your ideas which run along the same lines. That is how you can let him impact your life. I personally decided that it is foolish, but would never say that it is foolish to act as though it were not foolish, but rather quite pragmatic. I just can't do it.
He wasn't talking about something you don't want to speak of, but rather something you aren't qualified to speak of, i.e. unprovable concepts - things which he apparently thought shouldn't be admitted into serious conversation. I think not being able to reduce the variables, can result in a feeling that your belief system is inherently shaky, along with everyone else's, and that is scary to most people. I know it scared me for a while. Now I feel a sense of awe - of the complexity and beauty of the human mind.
re unprovable concepts, well this is kind of what I was getting at when I mentioned my 'wierd' experiences, we unanimously did not speak of them as we couldn't explain them, didn't believe in them, it wasn't possible to observe what we observed, and so we decided it 'didn't ' happen and therefore not discussed. Ie, unprovable concept? perhaps? maybe I misunderstand? Certainly very careful who I would now impart this information to and even then preferably only when one of the other witnesses is present to verify what happened, but even then its difficult as the desire to amend and omit to suit our 'view' of reality is compelling, but sometimes you just have to tell it how it is.
The Moderators have got me on a 30 percent warning level at E-Sangha, ten for "what a shit", ten for "see my prick", and ten for something else terribly unspeakable, whatever it was. Each to his own reduction of variables, I suppose. --- RH.
There is no "beauty of the human mind" cole; we each sit here sensitively unconsciously knowing that we are a peice for each other. It's all hard.
Huh? There is no beauty in the sunny blue sky out side my window either, a sky which i am about to step out under, and am going to have a feeling of awe over. If you are making a point, please explain it.
as long as you aren't thinking about the experience while you are having it, it is the experience, and pure. I am not talking about the totally mind blowing, primitive, shocking, type of awe (like this Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ), just simple-minded appreciation, (like this Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ).
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But I'm talking about pure non-thinking appreciation, on a very deep level. I wasn't talking about everyday appreciation, but a very special event I was looking forward to. Seeing the clear sky more than once a week is beyond description at this point - my feeling about spring and the rebirth of my immediate environment classifies as awe, I think.
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