# Will NIST ever fix their tables?

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by Garry Denke, May 28, 2005.

1. ### Garry DenkeBannedBanned

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Einstein's nine (9) primary fundamental universal base unit values
1) Einstein luminous intensity: [(hG/c^5)^1/2]/sr = 9.8601020(30) x 10^-46 cd
2) Einstein time: (hG/c^5)^1/2 = 1.3511889(33) x 10^-43 s
3) Einstein length: (hG/c^3)^1/2 = 4.0507625(15) x 10^-35 m
4) Einstein amount of substance: [(hc/G)^1/2]/M = 1.6605388(62) x 10^-27 kmol
5) Einstein mass: (hc/G)^1/2 = 5.4563031(18) x 10^-8 kg
6) Einstein electric current: e/[(hG/c^5)^1/2] = 1.1857531(48) x 10^24 A
7) Einstein temperature: [(hc^5/G)^1/2]/k = 3.5518626(92) x 10^32 K
8) Einstein relative permeability: (e0hc)/e^2 = 6.8517999(55) x 10^1 rad
9) Einstein inverse fine-structure: (2e0hc)/e^2 = 1.3703599(91) x 10^2 sr

Planck's non-primary fundamental non-universal base unit values

1) Planck luminous intensity: [(bar-hG/c^5)^1/2]/sr = 3.9336115(89) x 10^-46 cd
2) Planck time: (bar-hG/c^5)^1/2 = 5.3904639(43) x 10^-44 s
3) Planck length: (bar-hG/c^3)^1/2 = 1.6160204(35) x 10^-35 m
4) Planck amount of substance: [(bar-hc/G)^1/2]/M = 6.6245916(02) x 10^-28 kmol
5) Planck mass: (bar-hc/G)^1/2 = 2.1767500(08) x 10^-8 kg
6) Planck electric current: e/[(bar-hG/c^5)^1/2] = 2.9722423(67) x 10^24 A
7) Planck temperature: [(bar-hc^5/G)^1/2]/k = 1.4169882(01) x 10^32 K

Legend's http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Constants/
Planck constant: h = 6.6260693(11) x 10^-34 kg-m^2/s
Newtonian constant: G = 6.6723635(22) x 10^-11 m^3/kg-s^2
speed of light in vacuum: c = 2.99792458 x 10^8 m/s
molar Einstein mass: M = 3.2858629(47) x 10^19 kg/kmol
elementary charge: e = 1.6021765(31) x 10^-19 A-s
Boltzmann constant: k = 1.3806504(11) x 10^-23 kg-m^2/s^2-K
electric constant: e0 = 8.854187817... x 10^-12 A^2-s^4-rad/kg-m^3
Dirac constant: bar-h = 1.0545716(84) x 10^-34 kg-m^2/s

Will NIST ever fix their tables?

Garry Denke

3. ### James RJust this guy, you know?Staff Member

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What's wrong with NIST's tables?

5. ### invert_nexusZe do caixaoValued Senior Member

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Ah. He's posted this here now.

Is there anything wrong with the tables, James?
He's posted this at at least two forums that I've perused in the past month. The one you know about was short of physics guys to answer and the other didn't even want to entertain Denke's foolishness. But, in searching his posting history at the forum, I think I've discovered what he's trying to insinuate.

It has to do with gravitons.

What it has to do with gravitons, I don't know.
But he's posted these lists of constants over and over again and the older threads in which they take place always lead to gravitons.

Back story: Denke believes that the Ark of the Covenant is buried beneath the heelstone of stone henge and when it is dug up a graviton surge will be released (among other things) which will bring about the apocalypse. I'm sure I don't have the full story of his... 'theory' but I bet I understand it better than most seeing as he always posts in his 'riddle' style. I was quite surprised by how open he was about the stuff in his past posting style at the other science forums (not the one you know about.)

Anyway. Is there anything wrong with the list of constants or is he just begging for attention?

7. ### Garry DenkeBannedBanned

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Dirac's constant, more commonly written hbar, what has come to be known as Dirac's error.

Dirac's constant = Planck constant/Einstein relative permeability
Dirac's constant = [6.6260693(11) x 10^-34 kg-m^2/s]/[6.8517999(55) x 10^1 rad]
Dirac's constant = 9.6705527(81) x 10^-36 kg-m^2/s-rad

1) Planck luminous intensity: [(hbar*G/c^5)^1/2]/sr = 1.1911846(04) x 10^-46 cd/rad
2) Planck time: (hbar*G/c^5)^1/2 = 1.6323517(24) x 10^-44 s/rad
3) Planck length: (hbar*G/c^3)^1/2 = 4.8936673(56) x 10^-36 m/rad
4) Planck amount of substance: [(hbar*c/G)^1/2]/M = 2.0060728(79) x 10^-28 kmol/rad
5) Planck mass: (hbar*c/G)^1/2 = 6.5916805(41) x 10^-9 kg/rad
6) Planck electric current: e/[(hbar*G/c^5)^1/2] = 9.8151428(25) x 10^24 A/rad
7) Planck temperature: [(hbar*c^5/G)^1/2]/k = 4.2909537(24) x 10^31 K/rad

See top post for values of h and rad.
Welcome back James R,
Garry Denke

8. ### invert_nexusZe do caixaoValued Senior Member

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Wow. That was amazingly clear and succinct.

Are you feeling ok, Garry?

James? Anything to it?

9. ### James RJust this guy, you know?Staff Member

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I don't understand.

Planck's constant is h=6.63 x 10^-34 Js, approximately.

Do you agree or disagree with this numerical value? If you disagree, please explain why.

What you call Dirac's constant is defined to be h/(2 pi), and has the value 1.05 x 10^-34 Js.

Do you agree or disagree with this definition and/or numerical value? If so, please explain why.

You mention "Dirac's error". What was Dirac's error, exactly?

10. ### Garry DenkeBannedBanned

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Planck's constant is not in error, it was Dirac's constant that was in error.

Correcting equation: Dirac's constant (barh) is equal to the elementary charge constant
(e) squared divided by the electric constant (e0) times the speed of light in vacuum (c):

barh = e^2/e0c

elementary charge: e = 1.60217653 x 10^-19 A-s
electric constant: e0 = 8.85418781 x 10^-12 A^2-s^4/kg-m^3
speed of light in vacuum: c = 2.99792458 x 10^8 m/s

barh = 9.67055275 x 10^-36 kg-m^2/s

Dirac's error was the NIST h/(2 pi) definition exactly.
Legend's http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Constants/

Want to help fix angular momentum's angles?

Garry Denke

11. ### James RJust this guy, you know?Staff Member

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It seems to me that YOUR definition of h-bar is wrong, not Dirac's.

Where did you get the equation

barh = e^2/e0 c?

That is not a definition which arises from any physical theory I am aware of.

12. ### Garry DenkeBannedBanned

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hbar = h*(2*alpha) = 9.67055275 x 10^-36 J-s

Adjust Planck natural unit values through a new definition of hbar so the dielectric constant (ke) and relative permeability (km) result in 1 (unity). The speed of light in vacuum (c) and Newtonian constant of gravitation (G) and elementary charge (e) are measured quantities and unchangeable, so the only way to attain ke (dielectric constant) and km (relative permeability) unity (1) is through a new definition of hbar. Here are the necessary Planck natural unit values for such unification:

mass: (hbar*c/G)^1/2 = 6.59168053 x 10^-9 kg
length: (hbar*G/c^3)^1/2 = 4.89366735 x 10^-36 m
time: (hbar*G/c^5)^1/2 = 1.63235172 x 10^-44 s
current: e/[(hbar*G/c^5)^1/2] = 9.81514283 x 10^24 A

e/e0 = ke
electric permittivity: e = 8.85418781... x 10^-12 F/m
electric constant: e0 = 8.85418781... x 10^-12 F/m
dielectric constant: ke = 1 (unity)

u/u0 = km
magnetic permeability: u = 1.256637061... x 10^-6 N/A^2
magnetic constant: u0 = 1.256637061... x 10^-6 N/A^2
relative permeability: km = 1 (unity)

Because hbar is a theoretical value (not a measured quantity) it is the only option for the attainment of these values. Replacing the old Dirac hbar definition "h/(2*pi) = 1.05457168 x 10^-34 J-s" with the new Denke hbar definition "h*(2*alpha) = 9.67055275 x 10^-36 J-s" in the Rydberg constant equation, Bohr radius equation and Hartree energy equation (from the Schrodinger original equation using Planck constant "h") results in 13.6056922 eV for 1/2 Hartree energy (ionization of hydrogen):

Bohr magneton: uB = e*h/(4*pi)*me = 9.27400949 x 10^-24 J/T
nuclear magneton: uN = e*h/(4*pi)*mp = 5.05078343 x 10^-27 J/T
Rydberg constant: Ryd = (alpha^3)*me*c/hbar = 1.09737315 x 10^7 /m
Bohr radius: a0 = hbar/(4*pi)*(alpha^2)*me*c = 5.29177210 x 10^-11 m
Hartree energy: Eh = (alpha^2)*(e^2)*me*c/e0*hbar = 4.35974417 x 10^-18 J

1/2 Hartree energy (ionization of hydrogen):

RYDBERG CONSTANT

Ryd = (alpha^3) * me * c / hbar
Ryd = [(7.29735256 x 10^-3)^3] * (9.10938260 x 10^-31 kg) * (2.99792458 x 10^8 m/s) / (9.67055275 x 10^-36 J-s)
Ryd = 1.09737315 x 10^7 /m

http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?ryd|search_for=Rydberg constant

a0 = hbar / (4*pi) * (alpha^2) * me * c
a0 = (9.67055275 x 10^-36 J-s) / (1.25663706... x 10^1) * (7.29735256 x 10^-3)^2] * (9.10938260 x 10^-31 kg) * (2.99792458 x 10^8 m/s)
a0 = 5.29177210 x 10^-11 m

HARTREE ENERGY

Eh = (alpha^2) * (e^2) * me * c / e0 * hbar
Eh = [(7.29735256 x 10^-3)^2] * [(1.60217653 x 10^-19 C)^2] * (9.10938260 x 10^-31 kg) * (2.99792458 x 10^8 m/s) / (8.85418781... x 10^-12 F/m) * (9.67055275 x 10^-36 J-s)
Eh = 4.35974417 x 10^-18 J

http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?hr|search_for=Hartree energy

Hartree energy in eV (2x ionization of hydrogen)
Eh = 27.2113845 eV

http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?threv|search_for=Hartree energy

1/2 Hartree energy in eV (ionization of hydrogen)
Eh/2 = 13.6056922 eV

Old definition for hbar in cgs units:

hbar = (e^2) / alpha * c
hbar = [(4.80320440 x 10^-10 esu)^2] / (7.29735256 x 10^-3) * (2.99792458 x 10^10 cm/s)
hbar = 1.05457168 x 10^-27 erg-s

New definition for hbar in cgs units:

hbar = (e^2) * (4*pi) / c
hbar = [(4.80320440 x 10^-10 esu)^2] * (1.25663706... x 10^1) / (2.99792458 x 10^10 cm/s)
hbar = 9.67055275 x 10^-29 erg-s

Old definition for hbar in SI units:

hbar = (e^2) / (4*pi) * e0 * alpha * c
hbar = [(1.60217653 x 10^-19 C)^2] / (1.25663706... x 10^1) * (8.85418781... x 10^-12 F/m) * (7.29735256 x 10^-3) * (2.99792458 x 10^8 m/s)
hbar = 1.05457168 x 10^-34 J-s

New definition for hbar in SI units:

hbar = (e^2) * (4*pi) / (4*pi) * e0 * c
hbar = [(1.60217653 x 10^-19 C)^2] * (1.25663706... x 10^1) / (1.25663706... x 10^1) * (8.85418781... x 10^-12 F/m) * (2.99792458 x 10^8 m/s)
hbar = 9.67055275 x 10^-36 J-s

Because (4*pi) / (4*pi) cancels out in the above expression the
new definition for hbar in SI units as reduced is hbar=e^2/e0*c

Garry Denke
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Last edited: Aug 3, 2005