Will global warming be reversed by human's effort?

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  1. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    You know how slums are made? But you don't care. Pretty much the story of our extinction.
     
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  3. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    You might appreciate this book - if you read fiction.

    Well, there's coffee pods... but I don't think they've ever topped bottled water.
    In 1975 I read The Limits to Growth, I was becoming aware of just how fucked-up everything is, and the world leaders, who were much older and presumably wiser and definitely more powerful than me, were having big international conferences about the population explosion and developing countries and the ozone and pollution and stuff. Not doing anything, you understand, just flying around the world with lots of attendants.
    And that was the same year I first saw Perrier. Somebody thought it was a good idea to siphon up water in the middle of industrial Europe and ship it across the Atlantic to Canada, and many Canadians thought it a good idea to pay for foreign water that they didn't even know where it's been, than drink clean, natural Canadian water for free. Later, of course, they siphoned up water from all over the place and put it in lots of little plastic bottles. And many more people would rather buy water from an industry that they now know is minimally regulated in containers that they know are choking the planet, and hump it home every week than drink the water they're already paying utility rates to have delivered to their taps. Nothing can top that for crazy.
     
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  5. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Who says I don't care? Adding more population to areas with insufficient resources doesn't make the problem any better, sacrificing our own resources to feed an unsustainable multiplying population just sweeps it under the rug and lets it get worse. It will be impossible to tackle global warming without a global commitment to curb pollution, and that won't happen with a growing population unless a huge segment of it is deprived of almost everything.

    If only one of the big US news networks had the balls to ask the Vatican why clerics at the Basilica in Guadalupe are allowed to go around spraying water on Virgin Mary statues to make them miraculously "cry", and then accept donations from starving people who can't afford doctors but pray for their sick babies to be saved and get told to keep making more?
     
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  7. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks, it's great living in a nominally functional democracy. Progress isn't made overnight, it takes lots of baby steps to get there, but in most corners of the world secularism has been steadily advancing and hopefully it will continue to do so until everyone is treated on an equal basis regardless of whether or not they believe in stuff that doesn't exist. How about you, do you think religious charities should be able to push their message on a political front without paying taxes?
     
  8. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Me--I keep in touch with my elected representative, and watch how he votes, and let him know my perspective.....and , occasionally ask for his help---eg; expediting getting a passport for one of my sons---after experiencing weeks of the bureaucratic run-around. It worked, he got the passport just days before we were due to depart(and, curiously, it was a diplomatic passport).
    ........................... however----"demand"---NO
    .......
    It's been a while since I read the tax codes, however, if memory serves, engaging in political activities as an organization, risks losing the organization's tax exempt status. (but that is here, not there, and I do not know your codes)
     
  9. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    So, you don't know.
    How about letting the Italian networks worry about the Vatican, let the Mexican news outlets question their clergy, and have the US ones concentrate on the lack of sex education and birth control clinics in Missouri?
     
  10. River Ape Valued Senior Member

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    Climate cange is only the second most dangerous threat to humanity.
    Number one is the soaring scale of antibiotic resistance.
    It may turn out number one will take care of number two.
     
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  11. river

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    To the OP .

    No , but pollution of Our oceans and land is important .
     
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Deaths due to antibiotic resistance each year in the US: 35,000
    Deaths due to cancer: 600,000
    Deaths due to heart disease: 650,000

    Not that it isn't a problem - but it's got a ways to go to become even the #2 killer.
     
  13. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    1) Why until now we cannot heal cancer effectively with very less pain to patients?
    2) I read that Antarctic and Arctic temperatures had risen until polar bears and penguins have less food to eat, what will happen if they become extinct?
    3) Is cutting carbon emission the only solution?
     
  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Not necessarily.
    An exponentially growing respiratory system contagion with no adequate medical treatment can cross the tipping point from invisible to single greatest cause of mortality in a few days. How far - that measure - this virus is from its tipping point to plague is not known, and may change at any time (mutations being frequent in these kinds of infections, while selection pressure is nearly ideal for its rapid evolution in places like the US that 1) lack key features of modern public health setups 2) have a mobile population. (The snowbirds are packing for their northern migration from the coastal States and busy southern ports even now).

    As far as thread relevance - a plague virus will surely and significantly interfere with the kinds of deliberate efforts a response to AGW would require. But it may reduce CO2 output, and slow AGW down - plagues in the past seem to have delayed or reduced the effects of agriculture and other aspects of civilization on climate worldwide, simply by destroying the agriculture and those other aspects. This one would have to kill more people to bring the same benefit, but that's not impossible.
     
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  15. River Ape Valued Senior Member

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    But it's a different story in Bangladesh -- and the threat is not likely to be contained.
    Just like climate change, it is the LONG TERM that needs concern us.
     
  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    We are addressing this problem of resistant virulent bacteria. When we learn their language of "quorum sensing" we won't need to kill the bacteria, we can make then either deaf or dumb from turning virulent, with out killing them and facilitating resistant bacteria. The just remain dormant, an evolutionary dead end.

    Quorum Sensing
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3543102/

    Characteristics for quorum sensing
    • For the bacteria to use quorum sensing constitutively, they must possess three characteristics:
      • To secrete a signaling molecule, an auto-inducer.
      • Detect the change in concentration of signaling molecules.
      • And to regulate gene transcription as a response.

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    https://thebiologynotes.com/quorum-sensing-in-bacteria/
     
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  17. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    The Bible says the world will be in chaos before Jesus second coming.
    Everything points that the prophecy is true.
     
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    LOL.
    I dare prophecize the universe will die before Jesus' second coming. The man is dead. He'll never come back!
     
  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    People have been saying that for 2000 years. And indeed, there were plenty of times before today when the world was in far worse chaos. The Black Plague? World War II? The Inquisition? The Holocaust? All a lot worse than having an ignorant buffoon for a US president and having a few thousand people die of the flu.
     
  20. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    What does this have to do with antibiotic resistance?
     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    What does that have to do with the OP? Indirectly it does, climate change, changes everything including bacteril behaviors, usually becoming more virulent.

    We know insect behavior is very much affected by atmospheric conditions, and so is bacterial behavior.
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Exponential growth of the human race will eventualy present us with the greatest dilemma mankind will ever face.
    Births will have to go down or deaths will have to go up, in order to establish zero growth.
    Right now our exponential growth is + 1 %, which means our current population will double in 70 years (1 generation).
     
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