Will Britain vote for Brexit?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by James R, Jun 22, 2016.

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Brexit or Bremain?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. I would support Brexit and I think it will succeed.

    3 vote(s)
    33.3%
  2. I would not support Brexit, but I think it will succeed.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. I would support Brexit, but I think Britain will Remain.

    2 vote(s)
    22.2%
  4. I would support Remain, and I think Britain will Remain.

    3 vote(s)
    33.3%
  5. I have no opinion / don't want to express my opinion on this.

    1 vote(s)
    11.1%
  6. Brexit? Bremain? What 'chu talkin' about, Willis?

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    "The British have violated the rules. It is not the EU philosophy that the crowd can decide its fate"
    -- Martin Schultz, President Of The European Parliament

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    LOL
     
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  3. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    He is a total jerk but he has a point.(was anything lost in translation ,I wonder?)
     
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  5. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Well, yes, I suppose to me his point was that democrat institutions must be brought to heel - I'd guess he'd prefer to see them eliminated altogether (well, there should be a 'show', you know, to keep the plebs content, but let the real power rest in the hands of those unelected 'officials').

    For democracy's sake, I hope other EU nations follow suit. Reminds me of the end of the USSR. Sure, a bit of turmoil, but it all works out in the end

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  7. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Can you find a credible source to back that up?
     
  8. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    What should one expect of a German Nationalist?
     
  9. Bells Staff Member

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    Do you have a credible source for that quote? Because I just searched for it and it has only appeared on conspiracy theorist and survival sites that are obsessed with hoarding food in bomb shelters.
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Does it now. A bit of turmoil, is what happened?

    Another classic blownfoot example from the forum's most uncannily adept unearther of them: The current Soviet Union debris field as an example of it all working out in the end.

    I doubt even the most pessimistic observers regard a Soviet-style collapse as realistically possible - let's hope we don't get a surprise like that.

    As far as Trump succeeding in building his wall - a WPA style project is long overdue for the US economy, and the trick of completing it slowly enough to allow the currently returning Mexicans (net out-migration, these days) to get out of the US before the border is sealed is easily turned via Trump government project management.

    Britain is going to have a harder time, especially if some Sino/Arabian financial center turns out to have been in the planning all along.
     
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  11. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    I will have to retract my comment if that was not a reliable quote. What is the point in discussing made up stuff?
     
  12. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    It's what Michael likes to do.
     
  13. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Haha... perhaps you're right: here.
     
  14. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    What are you on about, the collapse of the USSR went fairly smoothly. Compare with the US-led Coalition of the Suckers and the mess we made of the Middle East.

    Anyway, let's see if the EU disintegrates.

    In 20 years, I doubt there'll be a financial 'center'. Anyway, the English IMO made the right choice. Leading by example, good job!
     
  15. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Building a wall is a waste of resources, but a good way to employ functionally illiterate Government School graduates. Well, that and War - oh, and the TSA along with Home Land Security. You don't need to know how to read to whip the Tax Chattel.
     
  16. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    So a partisan tweeter is your credible evidence? That's the best you can do?
     
  17. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    This is invented lies.

    There is no credible report, anywhere, that Schulz said any such thing.
     
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  19. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, we all know partisans always tell the truth.

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    I wonder how may bridges Michael owns.

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  20. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    A bit more here

    https://www.les-crises.fr/brexit-l-arnaque-du-vote-des-jeunes/

    Avez-vous une source directe de la déclaration supposée de Schultz ?

    Car le tweet cité ne paraît pas être de son compte. Zérohedge est proche de nos idées mais pas toujours très rigoureux.

    and
    Attention ! Pour l’instant, il semblerait qu’il n’existe aucune source fiable sur cette déclaration attribuée à Martin Schulz : « Die Briten verstoßen gegen die EU-Rahmenbedingungen, da es nicht in der Philosophie der EU liegt, dass der Mob über Aufstieg und Untergang der EU entscheiden darf. » Gardons-nous de la relayer avant confirmation de son authenticité.
     
  21. Bells Staff Member

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    I said a credible source. As in, you know, a direct quote?

    There is nothing, absolutely nothing, which indicates he actually said that. What we have is someone writing a tweet, attributing it as a quote to another person and putting a picture with said tweet. To wit, that tweet is as reliable as my 9 year old's ability to drive a truck.. In other words, not reliable at all and with absolutely no supporting material to show this was a direct quote, it should be ignored as the rubbish it distinctly appears to be.
     
  22. Bells Staff Member

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    It seems that Farage is still trying to argue that what has happened is a wonderful thing. And he is doing his best to help the UK's chances at negotiations with the EU..

    He, the 'man of the little people', went on an abusive spray in the EU Parliament when he was asked what he was actually doing there:

    After an initially – on the face of it – warm embrace between Farage and the the European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, things rapidly deteriorated into open hostility, as the former Luxembourg prime minister demanded of the Ukip leader: “You were fighting for the exit, the British people voted in favour of the exit. Why are you here?”

    A fair question, I think. Since he has clearly stated how much he detests the EU, why is he actually there?

    Farage laughed off the comments before launching an astonishing attack on his colleagues that drew boos and heckles.

    Rising to his feet, he began by sarcastically thanking his fellow MEPs “for the warm welcome” before landing his first blow: “When I came here 17 years ago and said I wanted to lead a campaign to get Britain to leave the European Union you all laughed at me. Well I have to say, you’re not laughing now are you?

    “And the reason you’re so upset, the reason you’re so angry, has been perfectly clear from all the angry exchanges this morning. You, as a political project, are in denial. You are in denial that your currency is failing.”

    Despite urging a “grown-up” conversation between the EU and Britain, Farage continued in a similarly mocking vein throughout his monologue, at one point telling MEPs: “Virtually none of you have ever done a proper job in your lives.”

    Amid uproar, the parliament’s president, Martin Schulz, tried to restore order while himself taking a dig at Farage. He told MEPs: “I understand that you are emotional, but you’re acting like Ukip normally acts in the chamber. So please don’t imitate them.”

    His efforts did little to calm the atmosphere as Farage went on to tell MEPs that any attempt to impose trade barriers on the UK would backfire, pointing out German car assembly workers as being among those who would suffer. He said Britain could be “your greatest friend” provided the EU did not thwart its global ambition.

    The UK should invoke article 50 of the Lisbon treaty soon to begin its withdrawal from the EU, Farage said. “I don’t think we should spend too long doing it.”

    The former broker said people were sick of “merchant bankers, multinationals and big politics” controlling them and gleefully predicted that more EU countries would follow Britain in leaving the bloc.

    He was booed as he sat down and a number of MEPs turned their backs on him.

    Well, that will really help the UK in its negotiations with the EU... I imagine that Boris Johnson's hair just fell flat on his head in a neat manner in shock.

    The only person to defend Farage was Le Pen, not surprisingly. Same birds of same feather and what not.

    It was left to the former leader of Belgium to point out Farage's hypocrisy..

    The former Belgian prime minister Guy Verhofstadt said: “I am shocked, Mr Farage. You are presenting yourself as the defender of the little man, while you have an offshore financial construction.”

    As Farage laughed, Verhofstadt added: “OK, let’s be positive, we are getting rid of the biggest waste of EU budget: your salary.”

    What do you know, there is a positive about Brexit after all..

    Considering Farage and UKIP claimed extra expenses from the EU for campaigning to leave the EU, one could say he really does have a bit of a cheek. Not to mention his hiring his wife as his secretary, so she too could benefit from the organisation he so despises and wishes to destroy, makes his position even more hypocritical. The man of the poor people in the UK, who recently complained that he was poor, despite earning 3 times what the average British worker earns per year.

    Farage had also claimed that had he been working for a company "like Goldman Sachs he would need to earn £250,000 to match what the EU paid him because of taxation, secretarial allowances and “all the other games you could play”". One has to wonder at his chances of getting a job there now, after pushing for an event (with lies and a the deceitful conduct he has been found to have engaged in) that has resulted in trillions of pounds lost on the market, the loss of a Prime Minister, a country and a continent in complete disarray, not to mention the plunging of the £, the UK losing its credit rating, and possibly pushing the UK into a recession it never had to have, and not to mention every other country having to alter their economic and political landscape and promises to counter the damage Brexit has done.

    If anything good is to come out of this, it is that he no longer be able to claim a salary (with expenses) from the EU. The fact that he still claims it and is still reaping the benefits of being a MEP after all he has said and done is obscene.
     
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  23. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    And he doubles down. As always before with these incredible examples.
    So you are betting on the abandonment of capitalism as well as the launching of multiple wars. Interesting.

    The Chinese and Iranians may have other plans. Iran, in particular (and the Chinese to a degree) have some colonial scores unsettled yet, with Britain and even Germany as well as the US. FYI.
     

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