WIDE CONCEPT OF TIME

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  1. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    WIDE CONCEPT OF TIME

    Time is the set of phenomena occurring by the movements of rotation and translation of the Earth. Among these phenomena, the main ones are: The day, the night, the eclipses, the phases of the Moon, the tides, the climate, the ambient temperature and the duration (units).

    The sciences of time are: Astronomy, Meteorology and Philochrony (duration)
     
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So, time is limited to the Earth - and Earth as a whole - then.

    The sun does not change over time.
    Mars does not experience time.
    The stars do not change over time.

    In fact, even things on the Earth don't experience time.
    Plants and animals do not metabolize from minute to minute.
    Chemicals don't react.
    Atoms don't move.

    Certainly a novel concept.
     
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  5. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    In the wide definition of time you can change the Earth by any other planet.
    Duration is part of the wide time
     
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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So, time passes differently on other planets?

    What about stars? Galaxies? Organs? Cells? Atoms?
     
  8. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    The wide concept of time does not replace the simple concept.
     
  9. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Time is a concept of human who are alive
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    What kept time before humans came along?
     
  11. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    There was no time keeper, but there were seasons of vegetation to grow, depending on regions. In polar region hourly changes are not applicable.
    So give me your version
     
  12. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Here we go again about TIME

    Below is a explanation of my thoughts on the subject

    OK here I go with what I hope is a helpful explanation of my opinion as to why I say TIME does not exist

    This is a thought experiment so

    JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE START OF THIS EXPERIMENT I WILL CONSIDER THE FUTURE AND THE PAST AS EXISTING

    Consider a movie film projector

    Canister of film on top (FUTURE)

    The light / frame between light and lens / lens / screen (NOW)

    Canister of film on bottom (PAST)

    Consider the canister of film on top to represent 1 day (00:01 to 23:59)

    Run the film and stop at random time (10:00am)

    System has 14 hours top canister (FUTURE)

    NOW on screen

    10 hours bottom canister (PAST)

    To make it easier to imagine

    take the top canister film out and

    remove all but 2 minutes

    Same with bottom canister leave

    2 minutes attached discarded anything older

    System has 2 minutes top (FUTURE)

    NOW on screen

    2 minutes bottom (PAST)

    Mark the frame which was showing NOW the screen

    Lay the film out on a bench

    Looking at the film you should observe differences between each frame and a gap (line) between frames

    One line below the FUTURE frame above the NOW frame

    One line above the PAST frame below the NOW frame

    The line is the moment when a shutter cuts off the light while the frames advance

    HOWEVER life does NOT operate like a movie film

    NOW is continuous

    No cut off while next frame is positioned

    Yes for everybody memory is retained from previous NOWs and can be imagined for FUTURE NOWs

    The measurement between any two NOWs is known as AGE

    Back to the strip of film

    Cut off all remaining FUTURE frames

    Cut off all remaining PAST frames

    Replace the NOW frame in the projector

    Within reality you would see the NOW projected on the screen change with no reliance on any FUTURE (or PAST) frames

    Since by the explanation just given FUTURE and PAST do not EXIST but NOW continues without either I contend

    NOW is the ONLY IT

    TIME (as existing in the PAST or

    FUTURE) is simply not there

    AGE as between two bookmarks (let's change bookmarks to nowmarks)

    AGE as between two NOWMARKS can be measured and labelled and AGES compared as well as physical processes occurring on any AGED material

    Some substances AGE more (become more disorganised) dispite having the same measurement between NOWs as other substances

    Will wind up now and hope this explains my position

    Further reading

    Dictionary - meaning of EXIST

    Post #821 (in another thread) extract of The Invention of Time and Space

    ALL of the book The Invention of Time and Space

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  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    How do vegetables grow if there is no chemistry? Chemistry requires time.

    That must suck for all the wildlife flora and fauna. It takes them a day just to blink?

    It's not really a personal opinion kind of thing.

    Is there something wrong with the universally agreed-upon concept of time ranging from the infinitesimally short times over which atoms and photons operate, to the cosmic times that galactic clusters evolve?
     
  14. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Taking it this way then time is related to energy. We can go to -272 degree were thing supposedly freeze but the we can go further to small forces were energy exist to hold neutrinos and other subatomic particles.
     
  15. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    The question is: What does it add?
     
  16. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    The WT groups and relates astronomical phenomena, meteorological and the duration.
     
  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    We can see that. But why?
     
  18. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    Because the WT is the general state of a local stellar system (start, planet and satelites) at a given moment.
     
  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So what is meteorology doing in there?
     
  20. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    Among others factors, such as altitude and latitude, Earth movements affect the climate.
     
  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Earth movements affect magma too, but it doesn't belong in your list.

    So, a few days and a dozen posts have passed, giving you plenty of time to elaborate, if you were of a mind.

    A few questions:

    1. Why you you call this idea "time" when we already use this word and have a clear definition for it?

    It is akin to saying "The concept of cars is that they are red and have four doors. Other aspects are irrelevant. The sciences of cars are: vulcanology, metallurgy and colour."

    You can see several problems here:
    - the concept of cars is already well-defined
    - any useful and meaningful definition is certainly more broad than red sedans
    - in any meaningful scenario, other cars are not irrelevant
    - there are many, many sciences relevant to cars
    - colour (and duration) are not sciences

    2. Why is it called a "wide" concept, when it is nothing if not exceedingly narrow? I mean, it picks a couple of scales for measuring time, and then summarily ignores the vast majority of other scales. That's kind of the exact opposite of wide.

    3. What is its application? As before, we have a definition of time, and we have some convenient time scales already; does picking a few make someone's job easier?

    It is akin to saying 'we need a set of rules to deal with only red sedans, excluding others, such as blue coupes'. Who benefits from this exclusion?
     
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  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Another way of putting this is:
    This is a false statement. That is not what time is.
    Anything that follows from this will be false as well.

    But that's a little more blunt. Which is why you were given plenty of opportunity to elaborate on your OP.
     
  23. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    It seems that I have not given to understand clearly. The BROAD TIME defines the duration and the weather together from its origins.
     

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