Why would evolution create a higher state of consciousness?

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  1. Enmos Registered Senior Member

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    What Oli said..
    Where then, if "I" am not my mind, recides the self ?
     
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  3. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    I answer you both with a question. If you try to perform the concentration method, and you are not able to do so, because your mind doesn´t let you; is it you who is not letting yourself do what you want to do?
     
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  5. Enmos Registered Senior Member

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    "Your mind doesnt let you" is the flawed part. You are just not able to concentrate enough then.
     
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  7. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Your mind "doesn't let you"?
    My mind has no will (is not separate from me) of its own.
    If I'm not concentrating it's because I'm human enough to suffer distractions.
     
  8. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    So why not work on it?
     
  9. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    Your identification with your mind is frightening

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  10. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Because my mind is what makes my character - if I lose a leg or an arm am I still not me?
    Yes.
    If I lose my memories am I still the me I am now?
    No.
    I would behave differently, react to people differently etc.
    My mind is myself.
     
  11. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    Man what a bad buddhist you would be

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  12. Enmos Registered Senior Member

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    I never even tried..

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    Why ? Should I become a buddhist ?
     
  13. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Too right - when I'm in the mood: no monkey mind, I have octopus mind.
    Conversely I've surprised some Buddhists half to death with my "wisdom" when in another frame of mind.
    What can I say? I'm uncategorisable.

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  14. Enmos Registered Senior Member

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    He is right you know.
    What if they would transplant your brain into some robot, would it not still be you ?
     
  15. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    Okay, what about the fact that meditation makes you smarter and gives you a better concentration? If meditation consist in no thinking at all, how come you become smarter?
     
  16. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    I believe not, but you might want to believe otherwise if you want to you know?
     
  17. Enmos Registered Senior Member

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    I know, and you can believe what you want to. But we're on a discussion forum right ?
    So what part of the body contains the self according to you ?
     
  18. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Two faults:
    A) no where does it say "smarter": just that the workings of the brain change and
    B) "no thinking"? When the article specifically states
    So they were meditating on that subject while thinking nothing?
    Dichotomous?
     
  19. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    The name that can be named, is not the eternal name.
     
  20. Enmos Registered Senior Member

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    What ?? Just name a bodypart :bugeye:
     
  21. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    They practiced non-thinking during their entire lifes; just because they were asked to think about compassion when they meditated during the experiment doesn´t change that fact.

    And yes, you can feel the compassion, and yet don´t think at all.
     
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    An eternal body part?

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    You see, you are free to believe whatever you want; as for me, I rather experiment and see for myself which side is for real. As long as I know, all the prophets and all the enlightened men have spoken about reincarnation and the eternity of our true self; I want to experience it for myself in order to trust that. The methods are certainly there... As J. Krishnamurti said: "It doesn´t matter if you die for it"...
     
  23. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Feeling compassion is not the same as concentrating upon unconditional compassion, as they were asked to do.
    And if you're not thinking at all how do you know what you're feeling?
     

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