Why was Eastern Australia settled first?

Discussion in 'History' started by Epictetus, May 23, 2012.

  1. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

    who needs shark nets, they keep the dolphins out and its fun swimming with dolphins playing around your feet (and that one of Adelaides metro beaches i might add)
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  3. Epictetus here & now Registered Senior Member

    Good one Gustav. :bravo: And you all prove my point about what lovely people you are. However, this being a 'scientific' forum, I feel obliged to point out that even white buoys (out at sea, and possibly on the horizon) would look black from a distance.

    I just know there's a new joke in there for you!
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  5. Bells Staff Member

    They aren't that far out actually and you can clearly see them - they kind of reflect the sun. You have to be able to see them clearly since you need to see where they are (boating reasons for example)..

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  7. Gustav Banned Banned


    please do not confuse me with facts and whatnot

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  8. Gustav Banned Banned

    so ahh....not content with attempts to wipe out or train as a circus attraction, certain native fauna*, the convict conquistadores turn their malevolent eye on sharks....

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    *When I was fauna: citizen's rallying call

    LINDA BURNEY remembers her childhood well - those days when she was counted among the nation's wildlife.

    "This is not ancient history," says the state's first Aboriginal minister. "I was a child. It still staggers me that for the first 10 years of my life, I existed under the Flora and Fauna Act of NSW."

    Then came the 1967 referendum, when Australians voted to extend full citizenship to Aborigines. Now, just days before the 40th anniversary of that vote, Ms Burney has described the referendum as a high tide in both the nation's history and her own - the moment when her status was elevated from fauna to human
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  9. Bells Staff Member

    You should see what we do to the British.

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    So come on over, the water's great..
  10. Gustav Banned Banned

    sure but lemme get the indonesians on board first
  11. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

    So much in a single day....

    I agree, in the main. I was merely advising of a recurring topic of discussion in WA. I am, in short, no secessionist.
    However, you should probably look up how that population is actually determined before making an informed judgement. It is based on a system of averages, and while the population increase in WA is perhaps not as much in sheer numbers as it is in other states, it is at the moment outstripping the others in relative terms due to economic convenience and the skills shortage, while the GST distibution remains much the same as it has for the last ten or so years because of this "averaging". This has an adverse effect in that, where once WA was one of the cheapest places in Australia to live in terms of real estate, it is now perhaps the second most expensive. This is due to the housing supply not keeping up with demand, which is in turn due to the minerals boom and subsequent rapid population growth.
    There are flow on effects, Bells, which cannot be compensated for, nor are they really taken into consideration at all, when applying a system of "averaging".

    The debate has far more to it than simple distribution... which leads me to think once more of a topic I was going to raise and haven't yet. I may get back to that, and may not.

    Not really. The usual existentialist malaise, itchy feet, getting older, no longer able to eat, smoke, and drink whatever I please, and hating every second of it.
    I am not growing older gracefully. It is resulting in some rather odd behaviour on my part, including getting into an argument over policy shortfalls with the Managing Director of the company I work for, a man considered one of the most powerful in the state. It was conducted mainly via email... and you know how I can be when I get my back up.
    I don't abhor my getting into an argument with him. I do, however, lament that, for the first time, I was actually afraid of the consequences to myself. Me.

    I believe that one of the most insidious evils of growing older is that one can never be what one once was. You can trade on it, pretend nothing has changed, and go on with life as if nothing was different, or that, with age, has come wisdom.
    The reality is, though, for an honest, self aware man, that there can be no reconciliation with that strange man staring back when you look into a mirror.
    The truth is that, by comparison, I don't like him very much. He seems to me to be much like a fading hollywood actress who has resorted to plastic surgery in order to mainatain a pale shadow of what she once was.

    I have never been given to comparison of myself with others. The truest indicator of who and where I am has always been myself. When I come back here, I don't generally run a search on other's posts - I run one on my own. Usernames I've used in the past, some of which you may be aware of and some I can guarantee you are not. You will no doubt remember I told you that I often come here in order to feel angry? In the light of what I've written above, perhaps you'll see who it is I am truly angry with.

    Perhaps, too, I should have simply said "I'm fine".
  12. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

    Quote correct. That qualification in itself, though, does not render it unimportant.

    I think not. I have no idea who you might be. All I will say, with just a hint of a small smile and perhaps a certain sense of self satisfaction, that I much prefer to conduct my business over the phone. I do have a way of getting what I want, and usually when female staff are involved.
    Being a 20-year smoker has nothing to do with it. Nothing at all.
  13. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

    Actually, none at all. With the single exception of revisting an old game - Medievil Total War II, with the Stainless Steel 6.4 mod with all the hardest settings turned on and some minor modifications I've made myself regarding turn times and historical unit appearances.
    There is something about playing out history for oneself, and while I am no great fan of Henry the Eighth, I will say that I have aquired an understanding of his loathing for the interference of the Papacy.
    It is also perhaps an indicator of how deeply my imagination runs whilst playing, that I still cannot bring myself to assassinate a princess, even while knowing that it can be sometimes a necessary thing. I tell myself it's only a game. But I can't do it. Kings, princes, generals, the Pope himself on occasion when I have the skill and opportunity... but my hand hovers over the mouse when given the opportunity to take out a princess.
    It is possible to gain an insight into one's own character while playing a computer game, you know.
  14. Bells Staff Member

    You love it!

    Plus I am happy to see you back. Even if it is under these circumstances.

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    Yes but the population growth is not solely in the West. There is an extreme housing shortage in some parts of the East Coast as well.

    Having said that, however, Western Australia is not as populated as the Eastern States. While it's population is growing somewhat, especially when one considers that many labourers are migrating to the State for the high paying jobs in the mines, it is still relatively small when compared to its more populous cousins in the East.

    The one thing I will agree with you on (yes, I know, I too am horrified) is that the distribution from Canberra has been terrible and yes, the West should be receiving a bit more to help boost infrastructure to possibly encourage more support for the mining industry. The same applies for my own current home State.

    You aren't that old.. I always picked you as being around my age. Which is not that old. And if you are around my age and you are claiming yourself as being that old, I'll slap you.

    You actually expected to?

    Pompous and arrogant?

    Welcome to adulthood. I hope you enjoy your stay.

    Of course things change. You are growing up as well as growing older. I mean do you really want to be like you were when you were 25 again? Think of all that you have experienced and how it has helped shape you into.. this..

    You see a strange man in the mirror because he has seen more than you and the prospect that you are facing your own apparently rapidly declining faculties (going by your own words) scares you.

    In short, pull up your big girly pants and get on with it, you wuss.

    Have you considered finding another job? Are you in the West now? I thought you were moving to Queensland or NT?

    Or you were in NT?

    Well I guess this is one thing has not changed..

    I always picked you as a pink haired gnome mage..

    I am glad you are back Monsieur Marquis.

    Just tell her you sound like Paul Hogan..

    And look at you. Who would have picked you as the flirty type.. I am impressed Sir.
  15. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

    I did. You should look up the Zhiren Cave in China, though.
    We still don't know enough.

    There is no doubt on my part that it does. how could it not?
    However, there are other considerations.
    I will tell you a story. There is a site where a community was supplied with water via a pipeline hundreds of kilometers long. At the end of this pipe was a meter, by which the amount of water supplied was measured and duly charged for. As are all Australians.
    One day, during a storm, a nearby tree was blown over... directly on top of the meter. When crews were dispatched to remove the tree and ensure the meter could be read for billing purposes, they were informed that this tree was a sacred site and therefore could not be disturbed.
    This was years ago. To this day, the tree remains there, while the case has languished because no one truly dares to follow it up. This community now receives, in effect, free water, because nothing can be charged without an accurate meter reading.

    Now, the likes of Gustav would no doubt be sniggering because the Aboriginal finally got one over on the white man. I might say that that the Aboriginal should pay for their amenities like everyone else. Why they can't, and where the proceeds of royalties paid to them from minesites developed on Native Title land have gone, is a topic for another day.

    But that isn't truly the heart of the matter.

    There is an inherent backhand racism evident in Aboriginal claims to sacred sites amongst their most ardent supporters. For there appears to be a distinct lack of realisation among them that the Aboriginals are more than capable of understanding the nuances of law, the prevalence of white guilt, and the legal trend for mollification, and are able to take full advantage where the opportunity arises.

    The point being, where does racism truly lie? In the hearts of those who decry the Aboriginal for taking too much advantage of white guilt? Or in those who will throw themselves behind every Aboriginal claim due at least partly because they don't truly believe that the Aboriginals are, in the end, just like everyone else and will take full advantage wherever it may be found?

    To put it more simply;
    Gustav sees the Noble Savage downtrodden by the White Scourge. I see, in my usual cynical fashion, human beings.
    I wonder which of us is more delusional... or, to pose the question, actually racist.
  16. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

    Why would you need to know who I am to make an audio recording?

    Just record yourself reading a few paragraphs from your favorite existentialist and put it online.

    And yes, I am related to Elle Woods!
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  17. Bells Staff Member

    I know of it.

    And of course we don't. This is only the tip of the ice-berg.

    They can't put in another meter further up?

    You know, it really annoys me when you say something I agree with.


    Now you are making me angry.

    I think the racism lies on both sides of the equation. There is the sense that we do not realise that they are no longer living 'in the bush' and that they do understand society and its laws, especially the laws pertaining to their status in our society. In that, I will agree with you and yes, undermining their knowledge and intelligence is very much racist. And yes, it kills me to have to agree with you.

    However, I do think that a lot of the racism lies with the belief that they are somehow rorting the system, or more to the point, kiting the white Australians to draw out as much as they can and using white guilt to do it. When you say that, you just remind me of Andrew Bolt.

    Fine.. The portral of them as the 'downtrodden savage' is racist.

    And you are a conservative. So to me you are both delusional.
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  19. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

    Similar as the situation with blacks, or Jews.

    Good point. As if, for another example, the Jews would be sanctified by the holocaust, or the blacks sanctified by Apartheid.

    It's not kosher (yes!) to treat Jews as ordinary people. Why not?

    If two supposedly different kinds of people can mix and mate and produce offspring, then they are not different species, and are to be treated as one.


    As much as I tend to jump to help the oppressed, I have to admit that life is a struggle for survival, and nobody is exempt from it, neither by race, nationality, age, sex, education, heritage or one's past.
  20. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

    The dude is an existentialist. That explains everything.

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    Legally Blonde
    is one of the most inspiring films ever made.
    Frankly, it's the only really inspiring film that I know.
  21. Bells Staff Member


    Is that what you call it?

    I am not saying a word. Just err take it to PM.. Or something..

    Because this is like walking in on your parents while they are having sex.

    I am really starting to question your tastes in movies, Wynn. First Twilight and now this.
  22. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

    I know! Which is why Elle Woods is such a good role model!

    To see a world in a grain of sand
    And a heaven in a wild flower,
    Hold infinity in the palm of your hand
    And eternity in an hour.


    Life in every breath.
  23. Bells Staff Member

    You have got to be kidding me..

    Oh dear lord..

    Kill me now.

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