Why torture small animals?

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Saint, Mar 31, 2011.

  1. Saint Valued Senior Member

    yeah, get police involved
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  3. fatal Registered Member

    This is called learning. Learning is the creation of new neural connections in the brain. The people of this man's country have been taught that dogs are bad creatures so they treat them negatively, while people out west have been taught dogs are man's best friend and treat them positively. Someone's sense of Justice can go from one end of the spectrum to the other just like this example of animal treatment. Therefore I conclude justice, just like the opinion on dogs, is merely a concept created by people based on their positive and negative feelings on issues.

    Right will instill positive feelings while wrong instills negative. When you have positive feelings, your brain is receiving good chemicals that keep it healthy. Having fun, laughing, sex, friendships, are causes of these positive chemicals that your body creates. Negative feelings such as the death of a loved one, being outcasted, stress, hate, all produce toxic chemicals in the brain that literally can shorten your life. Stress can and will kill you if you receive to much.

    Now note, if you are taught something is right and you do the "right" thing, your parents normally praise you or give you a cookie or some damn thing and you feel good about it. Repeatedly your brain will learn this sense of right and remember the positive feelings you got from it and release the good chemicals. Same thing goes for a sense of wrong, just the exact opposite occurs.

    Thats pretty much what I said....its in the eyes of the beholder meaning the playbook can get changed with each person. So there is no established playbook on it.

    Finally a thought out response and not a quick and snippy one. The thought of a universal moral conscious definitely makes me think. A very good question. In support of the question it could be true if the common genetics has this sort of thing hardwired into our brains. I have a few hypothesis' but in real response to your question, I'm not sure if there is a universal moral conscious I'll do some more research on this question later and get back to you with a more solid opinion.

    What exactly are you challenging me to do? Putting myself to the test? I'm afraid I really don't understand your narrow sighted posts. I am simply giving you an understanding of how the human mind works. I am not condoning anything, and I am not defending anybody. I have already stated this. I will be happy to use caps if need be.

    You seem to have a black and white view of things and over simplified people way to much.
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  5. birch Valued Senior Member

    excuse me?? i was replying that it is not black and white as most people assume. it is not just a shitty upbringing that creates those 'bad' people and a good upbringing produces those 'good' people. even using the examples of general attitudes among some cultures toward certain animals, there will be those who are just more compassionate or inclined to like animals no matter the prevailing views or whether their lives are shitty.

    don't twist things around and accuse someone exactly of what they are not doing. that's really unethical intellectual dishonesty.

    you can get banned on this forum for it.

    you edited your post at the exact time i was replying to remove that it was not evil. i just said i doubt that would come out of your mouth if you were the victim and it's easy to make statements like that when one is not in that situation.

    besides, if someone were to kill and rob someone that you love, i wonder what you would call that. i really doubt you would wax on philosophically that it's not evil. maybe you have another word for it.

    besides, my posts are rarely narrow-sighted. it's just more realistic. lol

    right. and you are assuming you understand it better with your lack of playbooks and 'eyes of the beholder'. that was brilliant. i really didn't know that. lol

    so if i smack you across the face, i can tell you there is nothing wrong with it from my point of view. lol

    or will you need mommy and daddy to clue you in on whether this is right or wrong to you with reinforcement with cookie or not? lol.

    thanks for that. i didn't know that either. lol
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  7. fatal Registered Member

    Ya I really don't think you are understanding my point....at all.

    Let me rephrase it as simple as I can. Everybody's different, everyone's mind works differently because it is programmed (lack of a better word) differently.
    This is based more on scientific fact.

    Justice, time, right, wrong are concepts made up by people.
    Observe nature, animals don't give a crap about the stuff I just mentioned.

    Anyway I'm discontinuing the discussion with you because you are beginning to just basically be a dick and not offer anything insightful. This isn't the reason I signed onto this forum.
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  8. keith1 Guest

    A raccoon got into the summer cage of my fat guinea pig, and carried him off screaming...a scream embedded in my memory.
    It's the torture of being in a food chain...
  9. birch Valued Senior Member

    it's very easy, one can just ignore me. there is even an ignore option which is not available in real life. lol

    thank you for reminding me that everyone's mind works different. yet, i've still not met a person that wasn't into self-preservation unless they were insane. so your point is kinda disingenuous by overlooking that.

    i have observed nature and animals, same thing. they don't need to read your post to know they don't want to get screwed over. doesn't seem like your idea makes much sense. lol

    i did understand the point about conditioning though but a lack of empathy for an animal versus torturing an animal just for that sake is a bit different. there are westerners who do that too. even western culture has lack of empathy for many types of lifeforms that are not their pets so abusive just by default. i do know the western hypocrisy in regard to animals.

    i also did mention wild dogs or ones that are not domesticated since they are more apt to see people as foes or bite them, therefore people will view them negatively in a culture that is not pet-oriented.
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  10. SomethingClever Registered Senior Member

    Birch- you make some really interesting points, but what's with the attitude?
    Isn't there a way to express your opinion without the hostility?
    maybe you just need a hug???
  11. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

    If anyone would want to torture any animals do it to themselves first and see if they enjoy it, if they do then they should continue doing it to themselves because they are the only animals that would enjoy such things.
  12. Saint Valued Senior Member

    human is selfish, he/she will not put himself/herself in the shoes of animals
  13. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

    Even in a culture with little or no respect for certain (or all) animals, there is a difference between killing an animal & torturing it. At best a person who tortures an animal is psychologically or emotionally impaired & should be viewed as not playing with a full deck.

    In a culture like suburban USA, a person who tortures animals is a psychopath who has the potential to become a serial killer. Even if torture is not involved, a person from a decent cultural environment who kills an animal for no apparent reason is at best neurotic & likely to be psychotic.

    I do not consider it to be hypocritical to be willing to kill an animal for human consumption or to kill rats as potentially bad for my immediate environment while not being willing to kill or condone the killing of dogs, cats, squirrels, or various other animals.

    I have misgivings about hunting & would not do it, but make allowances for cultural conditioning. I have some respect for a hunter who goes to a lot of trouble to track down a wounded animal & put it out of its misery.
  14. Saint Valued Senior Member

    how about hunting fox?

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