Why torture small animals?

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Saint, Mar 31, 2011.

  1. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    Food? Are you sure people will eat cat or dog?
     
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  3. birch Valued Senior Member

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    society's attitudes or views carry over from the past or past experience.

    the reason why dogs are seen as randomly attacking others is because of their experience with wild dogs running loose. impoverished places could barely feed themselves. it was either food or a guard dog, not really a pet. in a poor country or was recently a poor country that attitude or view would still be prevalent.

    are you kidding me? of course. it's just that because of western influence, people tend to view dogs and cats more and more as pets.
     
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  5. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    yes, it's called vigilante justice.
    let's just hope you don't happen to look like the town pervert.
    justice is not a science and it hardly follows any kind of playbook.
    justice is the art of fair play.
     
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  7. SomethingClever Registered Senior Member

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    Your objectivity is admirable, but don't you think humans possess a sort of universal moral conscious? Or am I living in fantasy land?
    (obviously some folks wires are crossed, or shitty lives have led them to betray this moral conscious, but as a general rule, I like to think it exists)

    p.s. Wow, a thought just stopped me in my tracks. I was about to call animal torture sadistic, but ten minutes ago I ate a chicken sandwich--- talk about a hypocrite!
     
  8. birch Valued Senior Member

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    actually this is incorrect. with the nature of this issue, it's only admirable or true if one can put themselves to the test.

    it's easy to be objective when your ass isn't on the line. who the hell can't do that?

    besides, it's a false assumption that all objective statements are true.

    for once and for all, let me set the record straight because it makes me angry at society to be this blind.

    there are people who do evil (hurt others) on purpose. there are no 'crossed wires' involved. secondly, there are people who have had very shitty lives who are good people even though. thirdly, there are people who have had good lives who don't have a moral conscience either.

    got it this time?? good.
     
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  9. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Because torturing big animals can be dangerous....
     
  10. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    Part of the reason cats were originally domesticated was as guard animals. "Persian" cats were the king's personal body guards and would kill an assassin.

    People do to dogs and cats what they wish to do to other people. Many who torture animals are practicing to do humans. My dog is a family member. Harming her is the same as harming my wife or my child in my opinion - and I do not care one little bit if you disagree with me.

    I agree with Spidey, so does my .357.
     
  11. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    you are civilised
     
  12. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Thank you for illustrating yet another detrimental effect of religion. It causes animal abuse.
     
  13. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    i am not exagerating, it is really true that Islam considers dog is unclean animal, and so muslim by right can not rear dog.
    they will treat dog cruelly.
     
  14. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    In the Philippines dog meat was considered a delicacy quite recently and probably still is in the more remote regions. There was a big furor in Los Angeles about fifteen years ago when a Filipino family society was planning their annual get-together, and the flyers showed a dog on a barbecue spit. This was taken from a clip-art library in the Old Country, and they had no intention of actually cooking a dog for the picnic. But they had no objection to the image and were surprised by the negative publicity.

    In Korea, dogs were eaten as recently as 40 years ago.

    Dogs were domesticated in the Stone Age, but I have never seen an archeological report on whether or not they were used as food. They had jobs to do (guarding, hunting, cleaning up the garbage), but still they reproduced so readily that there was surely a surplus population that might have been eaten.

    In the West, dogs are one of the very few animals we consider too close to us to eat. We feel the same way about monkeys and apes. In America and many other Western countries we don't eat horses, but in some, like France, horsemeat is regularly consumed.

    In the rest of the world, there is no such universal tabu against eating dogs, or even raising them as food animals.

    My Chinese girlfriend told me that cats were occasionally eaten as a delicacy in China, but that was in her childhood, before WWII. I'm sure in the 1960s, when millions of people starved to death under Mao's incompetent leadership, they would have eaten anything that moved. Even if I were starving I would not eat my dogs. I would rather die than live with that horrible memory, and become someone I would hate for the rest of my life. But I can't bring myself to be critical of people who would make the opposite decision in a crisis.

    We routinely euthanize millions of surplus dogs in this country, because some Americans are too stupid to have their pets sterilized. If there were a famine, I suppose I could not object to people using those animals as food, although I still doubt that I could do it.

    I don't have the temperament to survive hard times. That's why I'm a pacifist.

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  15. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    i dont think dog meat is delicious.
     
  16. tashja Registered Senior Member

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    Here, read this book-->

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  17. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    I would eat a dog, but I wouldn't make it suffer.
     
  18. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    The brain builds complicated synapses based upon the way we live. We've spent our entire lives (those of us in Western countries, anyway) reinforcing the status of dogs as friends, loved ones, even second-class citizens with certain rights. The smell of cooked dog meat will very likely trigger the gag reflex, just as the smell of burnt human flesh will.

    GI's who were stationed in Korea during the Korean civil war sometimes had to march past places where people were cooking dog meat. Some of them couldn't stop themselves from throwing up when they smelled the odor.
     
  19. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    You mean it tastes like dogs smell? I wouldn't have thought that.
     
  20. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    You've never had goat milk, I take it?
     
  21. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Oh. I had a dish in an Thai restaurant that tasted like dog, I had to send it back, it was repulsive.
     
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  22. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    don't be such a pussy for god's sake. what do you mean you have no right? your neighbor has no right to abuse an animal! your neighbor deserves an ass-kicking and so do you for not doing your part.
     
  23. ULTRA Realistically Surreal Registered Senior Member

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    Get a bloody grip and if you're not man enough to do something about it call someone who is. That animal is suffering because you apparently don't know how to use a phone. Grow a braincell, for Gods' sake.
     

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