Why the West is afraid of China?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Saint, May 30, 2021.

  1. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    Why the West is afraid of China?
    They banned Huawei 5G.
    They said coronavirus is leaked out from China Bio-lab.
    Etc etc.
    And now Asian Americans are under attack by people who hate and fear China.

    Is this the way the West show their human rights and democracy system?

    I believe some of the people of the West is brain-damaged.
     
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  3. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Huawei has a known history of deliberately inserting forbidden backdoors into their software and equipment, and they refuse to take even the most basic measures to prove to potential customers that they're not spying or planning to spy for the Chinese government. Coronavirus is believed to have leaked from a Chinese lab because workers there displayed symptoms early in the crisis, the lab was actively researching the virus that leaked, and because the Chinese government has refused and continues to refuse cooperation with any sort of open investigation that could help prove otherwise if none of these allegations were true.

    There are no excuses for attacking Asian Americans as an ethnic group and I'm sorry to hear about this activity, anyone who perpetrates it should be punished severely. On the other hand, condemnations of the Chinese government itself and corporations tightly connected to the Chinese government do not constitute attacks on Asian Americans nor the Chinese people. Opposing a foreign government which openly declares itself above accountability is a way of supporting the people oppressed by that government, it's a show of support for ordinary Chinese citizens rather than opposition to them.
     
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  5. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Because there are so many Chinese.
     
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  7. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    not to mention china's construction of a blue water navy and its opposition to freedom of navigation.
     
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  8. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    The government is ass.
     
  9. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Same reason China is afraid of the west - i.e.
    Make that governments are.
     
  10. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    If huawei did so then why not CIA show evidence?
    Why US is afraid that Iran will develop nuclear bomb?
     
  11. candy Registered Senior Member

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    The CIA not showing everything has to do with spycraft and not endangering your sources.
    Does anyone want more bombs?
     
  12. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Hopefully Canada will have Meng Wanzhou shipped off to a nice cozy US prison soon and then you'll get your evidence.

    I don't know, I hear weapons grade uranium is really good for fertility so maybe they're just planning to sprinkle it into their water supplies.
     
  13. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    The Nazi Inspiring China’s Communists: Why has a Nazi thinker garnered such a lively reception in China? To some degree, it is a matter of convenience. “Schmitt serves certain purposes that Marxism should have done, but can no longer do,” Haig Patapan, a politics professor at Griffith University in Australia who has written on Schmitt’s reception in China, told me. Schmitt gives pro-Beijing scholars an opportunity to anchor the party’s legitimacy on more primal forces—nationalism and external enemies—rather than the timeworn notion of class struggle.

    The Nazi regime itself, of course, also masqueraded under socialism. Because that was popular at the time and claims of "taking over" for righteous social rectification provided a noble justification.

    So no surprise that the CCP still clings to its vintage label (i.e., communism). The ingredients for conceiving China as shifting to fascism or "Sino-fascism" are there: The persecution of Chinese minorities in rehabilitation camps; the exploitation of capitalism; the nationalism which includes the exaltation of the Han majority; the usual determent of state criticism and control of information in a propaganda context, etc.

    Even the most devout members of the West's New Left back in the '60s and '70s might be severely confused if transported here to the future. (More refined footnotes or links at bottom)

    Authoritarian elements from the Zedong days yet linger as perhaps nostalgic or comforting remains, but it could be a "What the ---" reaction for much of everything else. OTOH, China literally whacked millions of their dissidents back in those days, whereas now there seems to be great effort to be satisfied with just re-programming Muslims and the rest (though who can be sure of actual body counts in the detention centers). So upon reflection, perhaps that might be the least item that Western leftangelical time-travelers from the past would be appalled by in terms of changes.

    At any rate, the world being wary of China is perhaps more applicable than fearful.

    - - - footnotes (of a sort) - - -

    Inside the paranoid Maoist cults of 1970s Britain
    https://theconversation.com/inside-the-paranoid-maoist-cults-of-1970s-britain-20739

    Maoism in the United States (60s, 70s)
    https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-7/maoism-us.htm
     
  14. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    west is what ?

    what country do you mean by "west"
    you name usa

    all countrys are not american

    it is very racist & xenophobic to label all western countrys the same as the bad side of what you define as being american capitalist xenophobia & market manipulation

    are you having a "mania"episode ?

    you are mixing all sorts of half facts half baked questions and pre defined answered questions like conspiracy preachers do.

    iran can buy a bomb if they want one
    why would you give all your secret & science communication to the competition company/country ?
     
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  15. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    US messed up with Taiwan to prevent China take back Taiwan, Taiwan historically belongs to china, why US busy body?
    US should take care more of gun control in its country, don't come to Asia to create tension.
     
  16. candy Registered Senior Member

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    The people living in Taiwan do not agree with you.
     
  17. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Malaysians don't need to create tension in China and Taiwan either.
     
  18. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    thats backwards and shows a poor understanding of how taiwan came to be. the peoples republic of china could never take back taiwan as it never owned taiwan and has no real legal claim to it. taiwan is china. the conflict between the PRC and ROC is a continuation the the chinese civil war that started in WW2
     
  19. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    don't bullshit, long time ago during Qing dynasty Taiwan is just a province of China.
    US sells taiwan weapon to earn billions dollar, and also to curb China become stronger.
     
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  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

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  21. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Not according to Taiwan. They belong to China, not the PRC.
     
  22. Q-reeus Banned Valued Senior Member

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    What a load of complete and utter shit 'Western' MSM narrative pro-Israel (Samson Option) (im)propaganda. Truth is it's Israel that is and has been for decades an extant clear and present danger of triggering a nuclear WWIII. As declared by e.g. Martin van Creveld here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option#Authors'_opinions
    "In 2003, a military historian, Martin van Creveld, thought that the Al-Aqsa Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence.[34] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's The Gun and the Olive Branch (2003) as saying:
    "We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.[35]"

    Iran by contrast continues to suffer rather frequent assassinations of it's top nuclear physicists by Mossad/CIA ops. Something neither Israel or the US would ever tolerate against their own without going to war immediately. Such is the insane asymmetry and extreme double standards. Even IF Iran were to eventually obtain a single nuke contrary to the rigorous IAEA inspection schedules that were imposed (Israel has always got away with zero inspections of it's facilities at Dimona and elsewhere), they are not insane enough to risk US/Israeli massive nuclear retaliation, if they hypothetically launched a likely low yield fission not fusion warhead at US tax-payer supplied, Iron Dome tech protected, ultra tribal supremacist Israel.
     
  23. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    Biden add more China companies to be banned from investing in the US, this is anti free market capitalism.
    US is coward.
     

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