Why the universe has to be so big?

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by Saint, Oct 29, 2017.

  1. river

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    Oh no hope involved . Cosmic Plasmas is the next generation of understanding the Universe , no doubt .
     
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  3. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    No doubt

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    ...But at this time it still resides in the cesspool.
     
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  5. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    And that obviously has nothing to do with the facts that I relayed to you....
     
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  7. river

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    Air is under pressure , atmosphereic pressure .
     
  8. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Air IS atmospheric pressure.
    And what has that to do with the information I gave you thus....
    When showing you were wrong in claiming space existed, so matter could exist.
     
  9. river

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    You are comparing intergalactic space with Earths atmosphere , why ?
     
  10. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Just as I said....To show you were wrong in continually claiming "space existed, so matter could exist"
    Here is the post refuting that and based on evidence and not made up hear say........
    "Well obviously, since the BB was the evolution of space and time [spacetime] and matter came later due to complex phase transitions and false vacuums, and the fact that spacetime is still expanding and has been at different rates for 13.83 billion years, it has had plenty of time to get as big as it is, whatever size that is.
    But remember there is far more inter galactic space where only quantum interactions exist, then there is for what matter does exist....and those regions are increasing as gravity works on planets, stars, galaxies, groups of galaxies, pulling them together and leaving further inter galactic space where nothing exists other then continued quantum actions.

    In essence, there exists in Intergalactic space about 1 atom of H per cubic metre, whereas a cubic metre of air has about 60,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 atoms....give or take a few million"

    in reply to
    which is half true, sort of but certainly begs the question. But hey, let me supply a reply from Dave that describes accurately what I feel with regards to many of your unsupported half baked claims....
    My apologies Dave for using your incredible insight to further explain exactly what I'm trying to say...
     
  11. river

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    Does not clear up anything I said .

    Begs what question ?
     
  12. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    And of course most importantly, it was you who raised Earth's atmosphere in the first place. My mistake was falling into that trap.
     
  13. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    river you are again performing, or to quote Dave....

    "While I agree with the above, the problem I find is that you have a habit of not presenting an idea.
    Your M.O. is to post incomplete sentences that are meant to seem mysterious but have no meaningful content - they're popularly called "deepities".

    And it darned sure doesn't help that you have revealed some astonishingly naive views of physics (such as the rotation => gravity silliness, which you still hold, but have learned to stop talking about). So it's pretty hard to take you seriously in the science forums.

    I don't wish your assassination, but I do wish you'd give up the mysteryman facade. People can tell when you're faking it".
     
  14. river

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    No trap just going what you said . Nothing more nothing less .
     
  15. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed..irrelevant it was.
     
  16. river

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    It was
     
  17. river

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    Now in response to Daves' comment on your post #190 ; and from my post # 130

    The Universe is as big as it is , as I mentioned before , because of the space needed for any energy and therefore matter to exist . The ROOM needed to manifest .

    It would be interesting to shrink the room , space , of the hydrogen atom to the point where it could no longer behave , naturally.

    Then calculate the space needed for this atom to behave naturally.
     
  18. river

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    From my post#131

    Space is the most fundamental property of this Universe . Of any existence of anything . Nothing can exist without it nor function without it .

    I had a debate between , does space exist on its own , or is energy/matter-space , intertwined . Either begets the other ?

    After thinking upon this for many yrs. I came to my conclusion this way ; can space exist without any material manisfestation of any form ? Yes

    Because space is a fundamental property of any existance .

    But can any material form exist without space ? No

    So energy/matter needs space in order to exist , but space is independent of both existences .

    When energy forms , the space must be there in the first place . Because the form , energy , can not form , or manifest , on its own , independent of any space .
     
  19. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    So why raise it if it wasn't a "trap"?
     
  20. river

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    Why raise what ?
     
  21. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    That in no way invalidates Dave's thoughts as well as mine and others of course: Repeating nonsense does not change the fact that it is nonsense.

    https://einstein.stanford.edu/content/relativity/a11332.html
    Can space exist by itself without matter or energy around?
    No. Experiments continue to show that there is no 'space' that stands apart from space-time itself...no arena in which matter, energy and gravity operate which is not affected by matter, energy and gravity. General relativity tells us that what we call space is just another feature of the gravitational field of the universe, so space and space-time do not exist apart from the matter and energy that creates the gravitational field. This is not speculation, but sound observation.
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    Much gobblydook in that post, but let me take you to task on one particular point..."After thinking upon this for many yrs. I came to my conclusion this way ; can space exist without any material manisfestation of any form ? Yes"
    Firstly the answer as per my previous link is no. secondly for your own good, you must realize that lay people such as yourself and myself, are most certainly not going to rewrite cosmology from a comfy chair, in front of a computer, on a public science forum...well 99.99% certain anyway, and seriously, going on past performances and posts and claims from you, and the many errors that others have constantly shown in those claims, I doubt that you would be a part of that .01%. You really need to do some reputable reading and throw away the Brandeburgs and Von Danikens.
     
  22. river

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    I have explained my thinking , and so far nobody has refuted my thinking .
     
  23. BWE1 Rulers are for measuring. Registered Senior Member

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    gremlins
     

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