why society should be more accepting of a Utopia

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  1. M00se1989 Banned Banned

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    A utopia comes from within it comes out of 0 or nothingness into the meaning of your specific life and is controlled by an individual, or other forces in an individuals life. money for example is is always going to be used, but i believe funds should be held on an encrypted card. I hardly ever use paper money these days myself.
     
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  3. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    I'm curious. WTF has that thread got to do with my questions in this one?
    And FYI I gave up on Nietzsche ages ago, I found him turgid and overly given to stating the obvious as if it were a revelation.

    And this would be a reply to what?

    In other words your comment was unsupported wishful thinking, with no actual basis. Okay.

    So by not learning about past mistakes we are, somehow, going to learn from them? Interesting idea...

    And?

    Specious, and false, word salad.

    And another utter failure to address the questions I asked.

    Never mind.

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    the true meaning of words is not as a sum of their parts but as a part of the whole as in the concepts. and the whole in your head offers little reference.

    it is in going beck to your previous mistakes or the mistakes of another that we can see the mistake made in any amount of time. be it BC or five minutes ago, from litterature(books as a whole) and our senses.
     
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  7. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    If you were attempting to insult me I suggest the word "hole" rather than "whole" would have been more appropriate.
    And you're still talking nonsense.

    Yet you advocated that we
    And further stated that the "(unnecessary or repetitive) (items or ideas)" were
    so how, exactly, are we going to "go beck (sic)" to these mistakes if we stop teaching them?

    Tell me, are you genuinely as incapable of handling a single coherent thread of thought as you are at actually stringing a grammatical, correctly-spelt sentence together, or is it some obscure act for your own amusement?
     
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    Originally Posted by M00se1989
    the true meaning of words is not as a sum of their parts but as a part of the whole as in the concepts. and the whole in your head offers little reference.

    If you were attempting to insult me I suggest the word "hole" rather than "whole" would have been more appropriate.
    And you're still talking nonsense.
    it was not an insult please do not take it as one. we can learn from one another. Especially if a third person arrives to the current topic, to help see both sides.


    it is in going beck to your previous mistakes or the mistakes of another that we can see the mistake made in any amount of time. be it BC or five minutes ago, from litterature(books as a whole) and our senses.

    Yet you advocated that we both connect outside sources or Influences or "potentials" and relate them to the topic.

    get rid of the (unnecessary or repetitive) (items or ideas) in school. by adding etymology in as a study of how words evolved, so we as a race can better understand how we communicate. because people are pavlovian as well. we follow the leader as well as we take the lead some times.
    side note Lead pb is a good barier to outside influences and has a strong connection to the word leader, which is usually hard on his subjects.

    And further stated that the "(unnecessary or repetitive) (items or ideas)" were
    “our history's mistakes"
    so how, exactly, are we going to "go beck (sic)" to these mistakes if we stop teaching them?-we will always have great literature in morals for our children to read, but we can always teach them physically how to behave as well. you have to see both side to any story. the mental and the physical.

    Tell me, are you genuinely as incapable of handling a single coherent thread of thought as you are at actually stringing a grammatical, correctly-spelt sentence together, or is it some obscure act for your own amusement?
    an attempt to find a way to mesh our ideas together.

    there are two types of knowledge in society knowing and believing. a third arrives in when you use it.
     
  9. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    I see. So claiming I had a "whole" in my head was intended as a compliment?

    Which is nothing whatsoever to do with the question I asked you, nor your statement that prompted the question.

    Then I suggest that first you work what your ideas are. They seem to be, to say the least, somewhat disjointed.

    Wrong. Belief is not knowledge.

    What? More specious drivel.
     
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    you have a passive aggressive personality, and never did much with the arts. Art and imagination go hand in hand, which also means you have no idea how to use "all"(keyword here or the whole) of your brain power for good use. This does not mean you are stupid in fact I believe you are very intelligent, but the reality of a utopia escapes your mind. I can tell the trigger of your aggrevation is caused by stupidity it seams from what I can formulate and I am yet to instill any values into you because of your closed mindedness to "open ideas".

    “Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”
    Albert Einstein quotes. which summed up one can conclude that there are two different types of knowledge.

    I am both left and right brained in case you were (I was going to say "wondering" but ill use curious. for more concrete thinkers.

    which bring us back to utopia and the meaning of life which is to instill as many good values into another person or people before you perish from the face of the earth. could include your family in the first valence shell. good values can be found in good literature of all kinds, if you notice the same moral opinions recur in most books although not in their concrete values they appear in idea form or are understood as obvious emotions. For example crime and punishment shows us that it is impossible for a single person to use violence to benefit a society as Neitzsche would have hoped in his Ubermensche philosophy. To my belief it only takes the spread of good words and strong foundations of the past while using the tools of the present. the key to a utopia is energy in its infinite power, but that is a different subject all together. although closely linked.

    "ETYMOLOGY"
    In an evolutionary sense for the future reference words from the past will loose their meaning in time in any language. Unless we hold the fast and concrete to give us something to argue about. Just as dogs fight over fences we fight for our language, (which has german, french, and latin "roots"). Future words and languages will "stem" from our current words obviously so.

    So how much control over our future is possible using the tools we have at our disposal today? Not very much If few like minded individuals do not group to cure the errors made in the current day. How do we cure those errors. Well you look at a simpler time which is both the past and the future. Learn from the past and begin slowly advancing to the future of your dreams. If it doesn't come true then you did not manage to pick up the right tools along the way or it was impossible in other words.
    (tabula rasa)-blank slate-open ended statements for discussion-and pull out a different chisel because your not bering down on me the right way-(ask harder questions.) more specific. anything about a brave new world by Huxley is decent enough.

    tear my statements apart in many ways. or instill good values into me.
     
  11. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    And you make unfounded assumptions.

    There's another.

    Please, show me where this "reality" exists.

    And another assumption.

    Funny how cranks end up resorting to that quote from Einstein. And, if you bothered to read it, as opposed to just quoting it, you might notice that it does not imply "two types of knowledge", since it differentiates, specifically, between imagination and knowledge.

    Ho hum.

    That would be your definition of utopia.

    More word salad. I fail to see the point of you making any comment on etymology, given your displayed lack of knowledge in that area.

    Oh yes, we're back to "learning from the past". Something you earlier advocated as a waste of time...

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    Why? You haven't answered the simple ones yet.

    It's not up to me to instil values in you. But it is incumbent upon you to make yourself clear.
     
  12. M00se1989 Banned Banned

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    we are already living in a "utopia" of some sort weather it be the mind or in physical pleasures. Also it is the younger generations job to make our world better better because they posses all common knowledge of the problems the older generation was unable to foresee. But was taught to them in some form of institution.
     
  13. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Really?
    Please show me where, bearing in mind the actual definition of utopia.
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/utopia

    Wrong. Substantiate this please.
     
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    rephrase some people live in a Utopia of thought. you obviously don't fall into that category either. I guess in your view its Dystopian as you scour the internet for the number 42 hitchhiker.

    and the current generation of heavy thinkers posses all knowledge in summation of the current problems of society. I'm curious to see if they can solve them or will give up all hope for the future. and let history repaet itself once again. but i know the enigma itself can be solved in simple conversation with a couple logical thinkers. logical input A + logical input B + logical input C = "best answer"

    side riddle: how can sound travel approximately the speed of light???
     
  15. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Really?
    Who? Examples please.

    You're assuming again. It's a very bad habit to fall into, and an even worse thing to maintain it. And I have no clue as to what a "number 42 hitch-hiker" is.

    I repeat: Substantiate this please.
    Who are the "heavy thinkers"?
    I take it you've changed your mind about the "younger generation" having this knowledge and now just want to claim it for the "heavy thinkers".

    Correction, you don't know. You may believe it but you don't know it.

    Off-topic.
     
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    the number 42 is the the meaning of life. Mathematically stated there are about 6,853,019,414 people in the world we are two of them. which 2/6,853,019,414 is not a good chance for either one of us to make a significant change. Especially when you apply the butterfly effect into the future which time lessens your chances every waking second. this is the numerical reality we are both faced with. To come up with something genius and have a name live for an approximate eternity and or to wither away into dust. Do the best you can and die happy my friend. BTW are you a fan of tsolkas??
     
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    Right.

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    Why? Surely as we go forward in time opportunities increase.

    I already have, more than once. What's your excuse?

    Never heard of him. But I did quick Google and got this guy. Sounds like a crank of the first order.
     
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    42 in the muslim religion which I am not a part of... as well as the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.

    a man from Bangladesh once told me "it is when you go fast that you die, holding his pinky out to symbolize the light" I wasn't in Bangladesh tho just to let you know..

    I am the light he proclaimed using actions. we all wish to shine. and that death is and always will be honorable in somebody's eyes. I don't think the guy was going to make go boom in other words.

    ...........



    the evolutionary apple of newtonian sense as well lands on the heads of the youthfull generation that precedes the older generation. in other words the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. But the knowledge the older generation imparts to the new is the summation of the older generations thoughts (the apple is passes from teacher to student and vice versa). therefore it is the younger generations "job" to come up with new ideas and surpass their (masters).

    the word master also can be used in a neitzschian sense where and when it applies.

    the opportunities increase until their peak at which instance they decline such as the old riddle Oedipus riddle suggests. (what walks on four legs at first, two legs in the middle of its life, and three at the end?)

    wisdom comes from either age or experience. experience comes from within, therefore wisdom in both instances comes from within.

    If we give our children more experience in the world instead of sheltering them like "good parents" they will learn right from wrong as long as there is sufficient control on their behavior to feel free. of corse in this day and at this time there is always the possibility of giving them a darwin award... or issuing someone else one.

    there is always room for improvement in a dystopia or a utopia because of our free will. if you outlaw guns only outlaws have guns. if you ban drugs, another free hand economic market sees an opening. If you ban booze people make their own (prohabition). control as we know it is not good balance. But balance is always good control.

    what did you make im interested(= oh and yeah tsolkas cracks me up lol
     
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    Obviously. As far as I'm aware 42 means nothing to Muslims (unless they too have read HHGTTG).

    So what? And he was wrong.

    Do you ever stop posting crap?

    Apparently not.

    Wrong. If it's all from within then it's day dreaming and fantasy. Experience is actually doing it.

    And here you contradict yourself (again). If experience is from within then how do parents shelter kids from it?

    By definition (i.e. ideal) utopia can't be improved upon.

    Supposition.

    I didn't make anything. I provided ideas for other people to use.
     
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    42 virgins they receive for dying for a good cause. you fail. I give you an ∞ sign for (not being real or the slash mark / as a concept you are yet to grasp fully).

    please use some common sense to decode my metaphor(s). btw ( ) is THE absolute value SIGN which I use in sentences at times.

    without popper literary background. (wHiTch) you obviously do not posses. you might as well :m: ME. translation people who were considered to be witches were often either stoned or tossed in a lake to see if they either floated or (pulled ex-caliber out)=(survived)

    By definition (i.e. ideal) utopia can't be improved upon.
    and ∞/0 or everything over nothing does not still equal or =∞
    ∞/0=∞. please refer this math to the origin of the term ZERO and what it means to the people who came up with the actual concept of Brahman and what 0/∞ means to them. then use deductive reasoning on my views of society.


    Which is we all share the same subconscious sublimeinal desires. and we currently have all the tools that (history) and (science) and (society) has given us to make it all a more simple world for all.

    (ETYMOLOGY) the absolute value of the study of words.

    Sublime
    \Sub*lime"\, a. [Compar. Sublimer; superl. Sublimest.]

    [L. sublimis; sub under + (perhaps) a word akin to limen lintel, sill, thus meaning, up to the lintel: cf. F. sublime. Cf. Eliminate.]

    1. Lifted up; high in place; exalted aloft; uplifted; lofty. [1913 Webster]

    Sublime on these a tower of steel is reared. --Dryden. [1913 Webster]

    2. Distinguished by lofty or noble traits; eminent; -- said of persons. "The sublime Julian leader." --De Quincey. [1913 Webster]

    3. Awakening or expressing the emotion of awe, adoration, veneration, heroic resolve, etc.; dignified; grand; solemn; stately; -- said of an impressive object in nature, of an action, of a discourse, of a work of art, of a spectacle, etc.; as, sublime scenery; a sublime deed. [1913 Webster]

    Easy in words thy style, in sense sublime. --Prior. [1913 Webster]

    Know how sublime a thing it is To suffer and be strong. --Longfellow. [1913 Webster]

    4. Elevated by joy;

    I see humanity for what is has become in all its beauty and all its (corruption for itself) as beauty. It is what we do to ourselves that spites corrupt feeling toward the corrupt. I feel like both Buddah (master of understanding) and Pavlov (master of getting to understand) reaching out to a world which shows no acceptance of itself. For acceptance is the first start to coming (back to reality).

    If you can't follow me then don't try. I'm looking for people who can connect the most (ideas) together about how we should teach each other, but also learn from one another at the same time. please just use the name of a person who came up with a good concept or the literary work itselfe to (ADD) to the discussion on society as a history of people reaching toward a Utopian dream.
     
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    72.

    And another assumption.

    And this would be in reference to...?
    BTW if you can't state clearly what you want to say, and have to revert to metaphors it's hardly my fault.

    Another assumption.

    Ex-caliber? I take it you're referring to Excalibur (or Caliburn, or Caledfwlch). Nothing to do with witches.

    Correct.

    Yet straight away you state this:
    Ho ho ho. We've already seen YOUR maths skills, and so far you've shown little ability to use any form form of reasoning, deductive or otherwise.

    The link to a reggae band is helpful because...?
    And no, we don't all share the same desires.

    Another assumption.

    False. Try here for a more realistic definition. There is no "absolute value" to a word.

    Yeah, that's what you see, but it's becoming more and more obvious that you're an ignorant crank.
     
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    maybe the point of all this is to test society's willingness to accept itself. thats utopian in and of its definition, ( AS in a perfect society there would be no need for arguments) I'm yet to argue anyway i just explain my reasoning in an unreasonable manner for my own benefit. and as you and me are both people in society who has failed? me or you? the answer is C. both. lol and I can accept that.

    this means that a utopia is impossible without the acceptance of the idea itself as a society. but also that humanity often disagrees with the idea because of humanity. in other words (We fail to see the truth in the logic of another). this happens because of misunderstandings in language. (such as my above comments) and or each person being selfish for their own gain or to protect their own self worth. Which I hope you degrade me into the ground so I may learn my (lesson) and come back more informed.

    how did I forget is was 72!!! now the whole scenario has a different meaning. much appreciated.
     
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    Incorrect.

    You've yet to display any reasoning.

    You can assume it.

    Does it? How so?

    I don't know, how did you forget? Because you jump at, and accept, the first thing that pops into your head? Because you couldn't be arsed to check?
    And it very probably isn't virgins either, but raisins.

    Is there, do you think, any possibilitywhatsoever of you actually responding to something I've asked in my posts or are we involved in two separate threads here?
    I.e. my thread wherein I respond to what you've posted and your thread where you ramble inanely on whatever comes to mind regardless of how non-factual, irrelevant or insupportable it is.
     

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