Why so Special?

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by aaqucnaona, Jan 30, 2012.

  1. Ripley Valued Senior Member

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    And they don't have it, but not out of a lack of merit or weakness—but that they don't have it because they don't dictate status. There's nothing more obnoxious than people posing superiority.
     
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Well, so do whales.
     
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  5. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    Fraggle's comment about humans making music (excluding the tone deaf and others

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    ) led me to think of the musical sounds we hear from animals, such as birds, who apparently interpret the calls without an "aesthetic". I would place the cardinal, for example, ahead of certain musical composers and genres in terms of the beauty I may personally derive from that particular sound. It's of course highly subjective, but there are some objective aspects to consider which also make us special. (Or specialized!)

    As for feeling special, it's fairly broad, and as Ripley noted, there's a limit after which the conceit is obvious. As a cultural phenomenon we can trace this to the rise of religion or to humanism such as in the Renaissance. Consider Shakespeare's take on it, through his tragic hero Hamlet:

    Is it narcissism or irony? Hamlet has this great insight into the quintessence of dust, which I think puts the idea back into the context from which most folks would generally agree.
     
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  7. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    Oh shit that is a lie . Prove it. What is reason you got to ask your self .
    Just because your a good builder with the knowledge to make little trinkets you think you got more reason than any other creature
     
  8. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    Well I like people . Yeah I do . I am a people of sort. I really like the girl humans . Oh Yeah ! People are animals with animalistic behavior . Yeah big time. Like dogs and cats really . My physiology Friend who plays Key Boards says in his profession that humans never mentally make it past 5 years old . I am O.K. with that . I like 5 year olds . There fun to play with at times when I am not couped up hiding out from you freaky freaks.
    I am mad at my wife again which is Me being mad at Me . I am finding out where I am on her list fuckability . In her kitchen so to speak and she don't have to work for it cause well it is already in her kitchen . Yeah so I have inspired her to move me up the list but somethings I guy finds out really hurts . They say it is my pride but that is not it at all. I want to be loved and when you find out that others are loved in a state above in reality and you thought it was all about being the love of someones life well fuck me running . I want to be special to someone . I want someone to think I am special . Besides Me thinking I am special . Fuck yeah I do . I want someone to love Me. She would never say what I just told you about her . She would deny it to her grave . Fuck to it is true cause action speak Lies don't and well when you can read information streams like Me people spill there guts with every move verbalization, inflections . It is quite amazing really . Your fucking animals . You will emphasis a disciplinary item . When you want to gain the higher ground the infliction is very important to gaining that higher ground of dominance. In the rhythm of the inflictions there is binary language flowing out . That is where spill your guts on the floor and the things you all say are pretty animalistic . I would not say 5 year oldish but it is about higher ground . It is gained in many ways . Submission is one of the tools . That is like the Christ thing . Play the Jesus hand of submission . Well the law supports that one by the victim game. Most the people around me play the dominance game . I love her and well she is my love and would take a bullet for our son. She plays the dominance game very well .
    Yesterday she realized she is a Manipulator . Don't go thinking your better cause her manipulation you crave from the bottom of your soul . The point is she realized she is a manipulator and Manipulates the subordinates around her .
    See OI know she loves Me as much as anyone can love . That is the thing . The secret thoughts of another minute by minute are another thing . Scary . Ah yeah . I am shocked actually . Your fucking animals . No worries I can go with it . Fuck . Denial is rough to face .
    O.K. working on being more Fuckable . My new obsession. I just want someone to love me . Is that so bad
     
  9. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Whales and birds have songs that are extremely complex. The apes have cultures and some of them are better at math. The thing that makes us seem so special is that all the transitional species are now gone, so it seems like a big gap.
     
  10. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    The bird song Spidey . People don't understand the bird song . Yeah to complex for the human mind to understand all the nuances of the bird song . I listen for the bird song . I use it in my music . Some birds have a song that sound pretty simple but they are not by no means simple . Simple like Chopin. There is something to be said about letting a note reach its full potential. To rid of the drop off note . The dead sound of plink plink plink
    Birds capture these little nuance way better than most humans . Good Musicians aspire to the bird song .
    Most of them hold the note . Birds
     
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nope. But being able to go to the Moon on ships we built is a pretty good argument that we have more reason than other creatures.
     
  12. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Opposable thumbs helped too.
     
  13. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    that is good you said nope. I respect you for that . What is so special about flying to the moon ? Great discoveries ? To what end ? So the expansion of humanity can prosper? What is it ? So more great discoveries can happen .
    How about the animal that lives with in its means . What about that animal ? Is that reasonable?
    Anyway my fight is more with intelligence instead of reason . 5 year olds are not all that intelligent when you rub there backs . There reason goes right out the window . Primitive instincts come on . Normally we hide them like we don't have them . They rule the day in reality . Want a belly rub
     
  14. river Valued Senior Member

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    its not the Humans that are higher , the gods are


    what have either the polar bear or siberian tiger built ?

    they are the majority

    and they can't think for themselves
     
  15. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    It seems that early people - who were, in fact, more special, or at least less mass-produced and programmed than we are - didn't see themselves as so different and separate from the rest of the world. They were very much more in and of the world; very much more respectful of other species.
    We have become so isolated in our caves of steel, so out of touch, that we understand nothing, and affect nothing, except through technology. Without that, we wouldn't be special at all. Set an average naked, empty-handed human down in a forest and see how well s/he builds things, creates music, or compares to all those inferior creatures.
     
  16. river Valued Senior Member

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    we have become less intouch with the Natural World no doubt

    concrete has seperated us from Nature

    but nature can savage as it is advanced

    so what direction is best for Humanity ?
     
  17. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    And that's the point. They don't have the cognitive power to consider issues like that. The predatory species put themselves above everyone else because they're hungry. That's hardly an intellectual achievement.
    Actually that's more probably language than music. They use it to communicate with each other. In some species each individual has a unique name and the pod has an identifying chant.
    Birdsongs are communication too, and they're not really as complex as Led Zeppelin, much less Rachmaninoff.
    I presume you mean arithmetic. I don't think they can do calculus or trigonometry. Besides, humans used to be very good at arithmetic before we invented calculators.

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    The last transitional species was Homo erectus. His brain was half the size of ours, which means that his forebrain, where all the serious thinking takes place, was about a third the size of ours.
    The other apes have opposable thumbs, but we're the only species that can touch our thumb to all four fingers.

    The psittacines (the various parrot species including macaws, cockatoos, parakeets, conures, lories, budgies, etc.) and a few other birds such as woodpeckers and cuckoos, exhibit zygodactyly. They have two pairs of toes that point in opposite directions, which is like having two thumbs. Their curved beak is almost like having another hand. If you've ever watched a parrot disassemble his cage from the inside, you'll wonder why they haven't invented computers yet.
     
  18. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    I can't do calculus or trigonometry either.
     
  19. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    I guess you have not realized " I Am yet so hint My God O.M.G.
    The polar bear help build Me . Yeah ! Way more than you did as a Modern Christian.
    It was by the symbolism of the polar bear it self and what the polar bear represents . You don't believe in Me, yet the Polar Bear gives his Total existence for Me with out hesitation.
    No big deal . Who fucking cares . It is just a tittle . It is all about doing what Gods do . That is what makes you a God . You got to do what gods Do .
    I found out I am pretty good at it too. Ever vibrate a nuns pussy to orgasm with erotic tails . O.Fuck I made it . I am a fucking God the more I think about it . Fuck I can't believe that really happened . If it was not for my continued work in this endeavor and the continued success rates I would think it was all just a dream . Fuck Me to fuckers it fucking happened just like I said . God unbelievable .

    Look S.F. friends . You all are the best . Think if I had to live this shit and had no one to tell . Fuck I lived to long to know that leads to depression . When you have no one to identify with .
    Well you smart fuckers are my first date so to speak .
    Thank you people . I feel loved in a weird way just by the mods no perma banning me when I came all uncorked on Frag. It is good to have a resemblance of something that looks like friendship . Your all it . Some of you are extremely special to Me . Spidey you the Man . Your Good sport is Good . And God said it was good !!
     
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  21. Oniw17 ascetic, sage, diogenes, bum? Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, that's what I said. They either don't care, lack the ability to care, or lack the ability to do anything about it. That's why we're better. I don't know about you, but I've always viewed assertive people as superior to submissive people, as much I've tried not to. Black people and women didn't dictate status either, but they were capable of applying pressure to those who did. I don't see any animals other than humans make even the slightest effort to this end. Have you?
    Why does one need the transitional species for comparison? Maybe some of those are special too, but if the living groups are just as special as we are, it's yet to be seen. None of them have invented religions or discovered physics, afaik.
    That's fair. Not that it's within the realm of anything we actually know. Just because we're better doesn't mean we shouldn't show respect.
     
  22. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    We didn't have those things either for about 250,000 years.
     
  23. Oniw17 ascetic, sage, diogenes, bum? Valued Senior Member

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    And they haven't had as much time? No one said we deserved a higher place back then(well, I didn't), we've obviously moved up in the world from where we started. I know you don't think that there's been no progression.
     

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