The only reason any of us are ever good is that we are afraid of what will happen to us if we are not. Human instinct is self-preservation. Human behaviour is defined by other humans, and society in general. Those who do not conform to these norms and standrards risk expulsion in one form or another, and most humans can not countenance being alone. It has nothing to do with individual values. It has nothing to do with Karma. It has nothing to do with an afterlife or eternal reward. It has EVERYTHING to do with primal fear, more specifically the fear of being alone. Tyler says, "In the end, every human being does what they want to do." He's right, up to a point, but doesnt delve into WHY this is the case. What is it that makes a person decide what it IS that he wants to do? Ever asked yourself? really? Xev, getting all nietsche-ish... "To first refrain from harming others. To protect the weak, and to render what assistance you can to those who need or desire it, yet not revel in their weakness. To seek to improve oneself, and to keep an open mind to one's faults. To control oneself with the aforementioned reason, logic and skepticism. This is often the greatest battle. To fight against injustince, and not to cringe before the expression of power. One in fact will accumulate power in this way, but not a power of the regular sort. For such a life no recompense is given, it must be desired simply for what it is. It is its own reward." Again, a lot of philosophical goo without any logical basis. WHY fight the harder battle? The last sentence in particular. What reward? Where? We're often TOLD it is it's own reward, but most people never see any benefit other than having a sense of having done what's right... BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE DONE SO. Not because they nessecarily have, but beause they BELIEVE they have, based on common opinion. Sounds to me like you're all making excuses to justify whatever you think you morally are. Humans, even extremely intelligent ones, don't like coming to realise their whole self image is not what they think it is, and will therefore shy away from truth at any cost. "to keep an open mind to ones faults". Again, physcho babble. Your "faults" are only those aspects of yourself which do NOT conform to society's (and, by extension, your own) expectations. Does that make them faults, or merely differences?