Why not just execute people who receive life without parole?

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Norsefire, Aug 15, 2008.

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What do you think is the most appropriate execution method?

  1. Hanging

    7.1%
  2. Lethal Injection

    57.1%
  3. Electric chair

    7.1%
  4. Firing Squad

    14.3%
  5. Gas Chamber

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Decapitation

    14.3%
  1. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    That is the whole point, they shouldn't be. They should be either executed rather swiftly, or the sentence changed to life.

    Also, I can donate a few bucks for a bullet...

    Man, I have just read the whole Menendez story, what a waste of taxpayers' money and misscarriage of justice....
     
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  3. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    I wonder why people here fear death, when everybody eventually dies, but not everybody goes to prison?

    Shouldn't people fear prison more, since that is avoidable???
     
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  5. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Syzygys and anyone who surports the death penelty should really read the case of lindy chamberlain
     
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  7. Cybernetics Registered Member

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    The most painless method of lethal injection was my choice because any pain inflicted would be pointless, what use would it be since they would be dead, this argumeant actualy covers all choices therefor it dosent mater
     
  8. Betrayer0fHope MY COHERENCE! IT'S GOING AWAYY Registered Senior Member

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    So we can make them slaves before they die, why else.
     
  9. Cazzo Registered Senior Member

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    Of course they can, the Democratic Party would love to give prisoners the right to vote.

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  10. Cazzo Registered Senior Member

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    I think 1 more option should have been added to the poll.

    The criminal should be executed the same way they executed their victims.

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  11. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Who is going to be the executioner ? This will be a problem..

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  12. Cazzo Registered Senior Member

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    Use someone else who's on death-row to carry it out.

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  13. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    What if they didn't kill anyone? But committed some other heinous crime. I don't know I just think death is far to light a punishment. There is no suffering in death only relief from suffering. (I assume) Killing someone won't bring your loved one back, but knowing that someone else is miserable just like you are should make you feel a little better. Plus you don't have to punish the family and friends of the convicted. They know that they are unhappy somewhere, but that they are still alive which gives them some consolation, however slight. I think its better than knowing a loved one is dead.
     
  14. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    I assume this is the main reason you are against the death penalty. As for the penalty itself, there is nothing wrong with it, any more than there is with prison.



    Murderers are meaningless, worthless people. Besides, if they are allowed this entertainment and fun behind bars...well, that's hardly a punishment.



    Prison is more barbaric. You're imprisoning someone and condemning them to die as prisoners.



    I know, they are sick and disgusting people. In death at least they can be useful.







    Perhaps. But the question is, should we allow people like Charles Manson and Gary Ridgeway the chance to live? I think not. Ridgeway murdered fourty eight known people, and he is suspected of murdering 71

    I don't even understand myself why people stay on death row that long.

    Too light a punishment? Are you kidding? Nothing puts more fear into criminals than the death penalty; nothing puts more fear into anyone than knowing that, by tommorow, they're never going to be seeing daylight again.
     
  15. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Since I was bored...

    Now listen dummy:

    1. We are for executing GUILTY people.
    2. You Aussies can't get shit right.
    3. I personally never said automatic execution for murder, although I said automatic if premeditated and at least 2 people gets killed.
    4. Evidence was fucking lousy, see point #2...*

    If this is your best innocent in death row story, you really have to try harder. By the way, how did it feel for her to be in prison for nothing, specially that she as a mother suffered most?? Not to mention the new evidence came out ACCIDENTALLY, so she could have stayed in prison FOREVER innocently.. I wonder how does it feel???

    *Make it pretty much NO evidence, whatsoever:

    "lack of a body, the lack of a motive, and the lack of any eye-witnesses" Congratulation you guys have a fantastic system over there!! I think you guys should just open the prisondoors and let everybody out with this kind of detective work...
     
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  16. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Syzygys right cause everyone on death row is guilty. I guess those inocences projects are a waste of time then.

    look nothing is perfect, you very very rarly get someone who 10,000 people saw murder someone else and even if you did eye witness testomony is almost always wrong. DNA maybe great in rape trials where seamon in the victom DEFINITLY means there was sexual intercors with the guy (oh except for cases like the one hypothosised in the NCIS eposode Lt. Jane Doe but in a murder trial its never that clear cut. DNA can only say you were somewhere with a certain degree of error. Even that could be transfer to someone else (for instance your spouse). My dog could be implicated in being basically anywhere i go symply because she leaves so much hair all over my clothing

    There are no apsolutes, there are no garrentiees. Nothing is certain and nothing is perfect
     
  17. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    And give them the satisfaction ?

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  18. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    I think we are discussing two things: the penalty itself and the judicial system. The fact that innocent people are sometimes punished for crimes they did not commit is a sad fact of the imperfect judicial system. However, as for the penalty itself, there is nothing wrong with executing scum.
     
  19. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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  20. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed, they are two different things. However, I don't see how you are going to separate the two.
     
  21. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Norsefire:

    It's one of the reasons. There are others.

    I just told you one thing wrong with it. Weren't you paying attention?

    One minute you're arguing that life in prison is worse than death; the next you're arguing that prison is a holiday party camp.

    You need to settle on a position, rather than flip-flopping back and forth. You'll have more credibility that way.

    No. Many are in for very minor crimes. They have poor legal representation because they are poor themselves. Sometimes they are the victims of a criminal justice system that is racist or otherwise discriminatory.
     
  22. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Such as?



    That's a problem with the judicial system.



    What I am arguing is that the concept of prison is barbaric, because it is. However, I do not mind because prisoners are barbaric, and are scum, so they should be treated like the vermin they are.



    I'm obviously speaking of heinous offenders.
     
  23. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Norsefire:

    The death penalty is more expensive to administer than life imprisonment. The death penalty costs more in terms of legal appeals etc. The death penalty is not an effective deterrent. The death penalty involves society descending to the level of the criminal. Revenge should not take precedence as the sole reason for punishment. The death penalty sends the message that "killing is ok". Enlightened nations agree that the death penalty is barbaric. Juries and judges may be reluctant to convict if they know it will result in the death of the offender. The death penalty multiplies suffering (e.g. for the offender's family), adding to the net evil of the crime. Innocent and mentally ill people may be put to death unfairly. The death penalty can create undue sympathy for the offender. The death penalty cannot undo the crime.

    Do I need to go on?

    Prior to prisons, the death penalty was used all the time. For less serious offences, corporal punishment was the most usual punishment. i.e. other barbarities like public flogging or torture.

    Prisoners are people just like you.
     

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