Why is the concept of theistic evolution unacceptable to you?

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You showed cartoon pictures. Period.

Unless you can show actual evidence, it is a fairy tale.

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jan.

 

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You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him think.

 

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A work of fiction that no reputable academic takes seriously.

 

James R,

So what you're saying is that it's never, ever, been observed.
Why can't you just admit it?

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jan.

 

It's been observed in the fossils. Of course evolution works by gradual change. No one is going to see the type of physical changes you require for proof in one lifetime, or even in a thousand lifetimes. But many of these processes have been captured as fossils. We can observe evolution happen in nature that is the same process. Have you ever seen your fingernails grow? No, you only infer they grow because sometimes you notice they are longer than they used to be.

 

So you're saying every single thing in that book is untrue?

Am I correct in that thinking?

jan.

 

So when peiople say we have observed evolution, they're not refering to to the contravertial goo to man notion? Is that correct?

jan.

 

It's Hindu Creationist propaganda. It's possible that he talks about objects which are real, but his interpretations are wrong.

 

If you include observing the fossil evidence, then yes they have observed samples from every era, from pond scum to mankind. If you limit your notion of observation to living creatures, then it's unreasonable to demand observation of something that took 4 billion years to happen.

 

Interesting. What evidence might that be?

 

So what do you mean by a ''work of fiction''?

What was the source of his interpretation?

jan.

 

Sure.

http://www.indiana.edu/~lynchlab/PDF/Lynch100.pdf

http://nd.edu/~mpfrende/PDFs/Simon_et_al_JHered_2011.pdf

Major changes in Daphnia life-history in organisms genetically predisposed to major changes via environment. Environment changes permanently, followed by silencing of the mutations that cause the susceptibility, radically different organism. Think about how little a difference is actually required to make a species; squirrels, canids and cats don't look too different within each group but don't interbreed at all, or operate with behavioural barriers to that interbreeding. Here's another good paper on rapidly evolving lizards:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080421-lizard-evolution.html

Pretty major dietary shift there.

 

Well sure. And cattle have never been improved for milk output either, nor sheep for wool production. No one sat there and watched it happen without interruption over the last millenium, so it must not have occurred.

 

The evidence that shows modern human remains and artifax that show modern humans have been around considerably longer than the current understanding suggests.

And the skull-duggery, that attempts to suppress those findings.
It's very interesting.

jan.

 

FFS, SG, will you take that damn avatar off?

 

I reiterate for him: and what evidence might that be? Where is it?

 

It's also bullshit.

 

Why?

jan.

 

He's self published for one thing, no peer reviewed journals to burst his bubble of creationist nonsense. He fails to acknowledge modern dating techniques and the failures of past researchers. There are numerous sites that debunk this crazy book.