Correct, by definition any machine that outputs energy cannot be perpetual, it would by necessity have an external energy source..
If energy cannot disappear then a transformation of an energy from one form to another (from a global view), is a perpetual motion. Now we have to ask, if there is a state where energy cannot transform from one form to another. If this state exists, then and only then a global point of view can be considered as a non-perpetual motion. By QM the basic state of our universe is in perpetual motion because Plank constant h > 0.
That was my point. Most people see things this way but it really violates the definition of perpetual motion.
If U really wana know about a natural PMM that generates energy then instead of copypasting my post I offer U 2 read the following thread and specially my post. PMM Antagonism is dead with it. http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=28836 Can U think about that ?
~~~High energy to low energy ~~~High pressure to low pressure ~~~High to lows........... ~~~differential of energy states ~~~Surplus of anything always flows to lack of ~~~When the states are equal, then the flow is no ~~~Energy flows to the path of least resistance ~~~You can never get more out of something than you put into it ~~~The idea of energy is simply the differential potential movement of matter/anti-matter. RAW THINKER............you stole my idea about making sub threads. I had the idea a year or so ago. But I figured Porfiry would ban me if I did that.Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I was thinking about creating A complete Subforums within Sciforums......but didn't have the nerve to try itPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
You posted about a gravitational system with tides, objections and explanations were posted, and you basically ignored them. What's there to consider? Tapping into an energy reservoir is not perpetual motion. All you did was choose a large reservoir.
[ 2 - Definition: [n] a machine that can continue to do work indefinitely without drawing energy from some external source; impossible under the law of conservation of energy ] how about the superconductor rod spinning inside an earth magnet, perpetuated by low temperature in space?
headache doesnt mean to be rude by answering a question on somebody elses behalf, but i think the "gist" of it is that if you look around you, you are a witness to the ultimate perpetual machine.... that being the universe in all its highly questionable origin and destiny , and its equally questionable stability and sustainability in the face of the most outrageous improbabilityand irregularity....
And of course it ( the universe) stands as an extreme example of how our conservation laws are flawed. Having been created seemingly spontaneously from Nothing. So it is clear that our understanding at present is somewhat lacking.....This of course does not mean that what we understand is not of worth , only that we have to admit that there is a hell of a lot more to learn before we can make absolute statements about the validity of conservation laws and "the impossibility of PPM's"
Well....if the idea is that the earth is a pmm, then one should take into account that the fusion action in our sun, is responsible for virtually all the energy/matter conversion processes on the earth. Is the sun a pmm? By most accounts, no. Is the universe a pmm? Hell, I dunno. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!FREE THE WEEDPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
