If you think that's the end of the argument, you haven't read a single page of this thread. It's a straw man that I haven't seen anyone here make. Many times more defensive uses of guns than gun crimes. The vast majority of gun crimes occur in Democrat-run cities with the strictest gun control laws. They obviously don't work when the root causes of violence and crime are not addressed. They are not "willing to put up with mass shootings of innocent people, the gun murder rate", which is why they believe people have a right to defend themselves, instead of the police showing up later to pick up the bodies. Accidental deaths are a very small and improving percent, and suicides are not a gun problem. Just look at the suicide rate across western countries, where you'll find Belgium, France, Sweden, Finland, and Switzerland higher than the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate Who said tyranny from our own government was the only threat? But the modern US military had trouble with far lesser armed civilians in Vietnam and Afghanistan. You're people are also dying every day. Whether from terrorists in trucks, knives, etc.. It's trivially true of any people.