Why is God important?

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  1. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    A little story.

    On a hot day I was sitting under a tree for shade waiting for the bus. Outside a university on a street with two universities and a college campus within walking distance - I felt in a safe space except it was hot.

    When I was younger two people came to my door and one put his foot to block the screen door to stop closing so they could continue to try to sell or preach their religion. It was an intimidation tactic and I mostly looked down.

    Anyway, this person handed me a paper for his religion that he was selling or believed in. I told him I admit ignorance and that what it takes to be a scientist and handed his paper back to him. Also saying someone else may do better with your church but not me.

    For a social structure religion can politically ease things and there is the notion of the unknown. But why is God important?
     
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  3. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    With a question this general, you need to widen the concept of deity.
    When someone [presumed to be] in the culture we [presumably] share, writes God, most readers will assume the deity being cited is the biblical god of Abraham, later passed down [in altered form] to the Christians and Muslims, and even, eventually, the Jehovah's Witnesses of screen door and leaflet fame.
    The importance of any god depends on the condition, world view and circumstances of the people who invent that god.
    (Note: deities/religions/belief systems are organic: the invention of gods is a continuous process.)
    If you mean the most prevalent notion of God in present-day America, its importance is two-fold: solace and hope for the underclass; political weaponry for the overclass.
     
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  5. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    long ago I read approximately:
    (of the old gods)

    "Then feasted they all day
    till the setting of the sun
    when along came a ragged jew
    dragging a huge wooden cross
    as the ragged jew approached the table of the gods
    the gods drew silent
    and then
    The ragged jey flung the cross down onto the table of the gods
    and the gods just faded away"

    moral
    If you want your god to survive
    then your god must be important to you
     
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  7. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Alternatively:
    If you want your god to vanquish all the other gods,
    1. recruit a bigger army
    2. purge, purge, purge
    3. enlist poets to write your advertising copy
    4. purge, purge, purge
     
  8. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    anecdote:
    When I lived in Florida, I had 2 boa constrictors . The bigger one "Bobo"-all 2 meters of him, was more lazy and liked to lay on my bed, or in the sunshine on the back of the couch in the florida room. The smaller one "thor" liked to hang out on my shoulders. One fine day a couple jehovah witness proselytizers were at the door. Thor held his head about 2 feet in front of mine and swayed back and forth while sampling the air with his tongue. I was actually being quite friendly, but thor seemed to ruin the concentration of the proselytizers, who left minus one convert.

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  9. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    People in general are afraid over the finality of death.
     
  10. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    A few years ago, I had a best mate, a Rottweiler named Rocky.He had the loudest most fearful bark you could imagine and along with his 65kg size, was a formidable backstop.
    One Saturday morning I noticed two 7 Day Adventists coming down the street, going door to door. Not wanting to be distracted from the Footy, I placed Rocky on the front porch in clear view of the street. As they approached my place and started to walk up the driveway, Rocky stood up and gave just one almighty Woof!!!
    They stopped, thought for a minute or so, and wisely retreated.

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    Rocky in actual fact was a big sook whose favourite pastime was laying at my feet and licking out my toe jam!
     
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  11. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    I think an important question about the history of religions is, when did humans start to believe in things like an afterlife?

    I also think this is connected to when humans began burying their dead instead of just abandoning them, i.e. when humans began to show reverence for dead ancestors.
    So one might argue that thinking about the existence of an afterlife and other kinds of faith-based thinking began then.

    Why was it important, what else changed in the cultures we had then, etc? If the other changes can be connected to the development of religious ideas, there we have it--it was important because humans needed it to cope with the changes in society, perhaps also in the environment. Who can really say? Anthropologists like to think they can.
     
  12. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    My very modest JW story: Saturday morning was their favourite time to knock, which happened to be my favourite time to sleep. I alwys came to the door in my skivvies and told them: "Go away. My lover is a priest and they hate competition."
     
  13. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Short answer - is not

    Longer answer - only if YOU consider is important and you have your OWN reason

    Last answer - is what have you been offered (even promised) if you believe in god? Ever lasting life in heaven

    Appears to be a no brainer

    So here's a interesting brain fart idea/question

    If heaven didn't exist as a reward (or hell as punishment) and jc / god / Mary etc etc were in a story which - bottom line - went around saying be nice to each other, in that situation, would god be important?

    ie is god important without heaven?

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  14. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Importance? is subjective, and there can be as many reasons as there are people.
    The best question to ask, is who and what is God.
     
  15. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Or when did they stop believing.
    I think cremation was the send off of choice.
    Burial was for holy men, and high ups.
    Which culture?
     
  16. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Do you have the answers?
     
  17. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.
     
  18. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Well, if it's a simple truth you'd be able to convince everyone - otherwise it's just politics...

    Are you a money grabbing evangelical?
     
  19. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Nobody needs to be convinced. That is a widely held misunderstanding. We simply have to unblock our rejection and denial.
    Tempt me with some money, and let’s find out.
     
  20. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    So, being agnostic is neurotic in your eyes?
     
  21. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Being agnostic, is being agnostic. A position where the person concludes that God cannot be known, and is therefore unknowable. Agnostic atheism is merely the addition of atheism.
    Neurosis is a condition that can affect anyone, regardless of belief.
     
  22. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    That's nice.
     
  23. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed. God is simply an unscientific reason to explain life and the universe in which it exists, and was probably invented eons ago by ignorant ancient man, who had just evolved from swinging in the trees, to walking upright on the ground.
    It carries on to this day by certain groups, in various religious formats, to dismiss the fact of the finality of death, and maintain a warm inner glow of satisfaction.
    Others prefer facing reality generally illustrated by science.
     

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