Why I think Muslims in the end miscalculated Israelis - opinion

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Mr.Spock, Jul 20, 2010.

  1. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

    "You" dont really get Israelis.
    Israelis like to see themselves as the "new Jews", they are strong, unafraid, can and will defend themselves when needed against all forms of antisemitism.

    Israelis have also a softer side, they care what others think of them, especially non Jews, in contrast to their strong fillings of protecting their own people. Those fillings amazingly, can overwhelm their concern over their own life! Those two qualities go hand in hand throughout Jewish history, depicted and debated many times among Rabbis and the teaching of the bible.

    Now, Why is this important?

    Because the main reason Israelis tolerated the Palestinians is because somewhere deep inside, they thought that the world can accept Jews living in Israel in peace. If we have peace, they'll love us, if we will listen to them they will stop hating us, if we give them this territory they will listen, if we do what they ask there they will see how good we are and generations of lies and hatred towered Jews will change.

    Like every naive child, truth will eventually hit one in the face, and when it does it hurts, a lot. We pulled back from Gaza, they still dont listen, We showed them photos of soldiers being beat up by terrorists on a boat, but they dont listen, they swallow every lie the Arabs tell them, how come? what is happening? why cant they see the truth? and why not? why every Israeli that goes a few millimeters outside of Israel has to endure waves of antisemitism? of course you can read 90 % of the posts here and get the usual its Israel fault, but try to look pass that, and understated: the average Israeli who sees this takes this to hurt. He understands he is hated and he understand it for what it is.

    Having realized this the average Jew or Israeli, can choose either of two paths: one is the path of allowing the need to be loved by all to surpass the need to protect his and his people own existence. The other path is the exact opposite, come to pass with the reality that he will always be hated and do what he can to protect his children and family. Whatever path he will choose, he will do it to the fullest, with his entire heart.

    What am I getting at? that most Israelis have chosen the second path. This is an unforeseen result by the efforts of Muslims and antisemitism worldwide to destroy Israel reputation in order to delegitimize its very existence. Detached from the need to care what others think, fueled by vengeance that is long overdue and the will to survive at any cost, Muslims made the tiny state of Israel probably the most dangerous place on this earth, ironically by trying to destroy it.

    It is by their lack of true understanding of the Jewish soul, they themselves trigged something they only now begun to fear. As they should.
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  3. sandy Banned Banned

    Israelis have faith, peace and happiness because they know how this all turns out. It's in the Bible.
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  5. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

    But who is a Jew?

    I don't know ... maybe we better wait and see who's allowed to be a Jew:

    On Monday, a Knesset committee approved a bill sponsored by David Rotem, a member of the nationalist Yisrael Beiteinu party, that would give the Orthodox rabbinate control of all conversions in Israel. If passed, this legislation would place authority over all Jewish births, marriages and deaths — and, through them, the fundamental questions of Jewish identity — in the hands of a small group of ultra-Orthodox, or Haredi, rabbis.

    The move has set in motion a sectarian battle that is not only dividing Israeli society but threatening to sever the vital connection between Israel and the American Jewish diaspora.

    The problem is not simply that some of these rabbinical functionaries, who are paid by the state and courted by politicians, are demonstrably corrupt. (To take the most salacious of a slew of examples, an American Haredi rabbi who had become one of the most powerful authorities on the question of conversion resigned from his organization in December after accusations that he solicited phone sex from a hopeful female convert.) Rather, it is that the beliefs of a tiny minority of the world's Jews are on the verge of becoming the Israeli government's definition of Judaism, for all Jews.

    It is hard to exaggerate the possible ramifications, first and foremost for Jewish Israelis. Rivkah Lubitch, an Orthodox woman who is a lawyer in Israel's rabbinic court system, painted a harrowing picture of the future in a recent column on the Israeli Web site Ynet.

    "Even if you didn't go to register for marriage, and even if you didn't go to a rabbinic court for any reason, and even if you didn't pass by a rabbinic court when you walked down the street — the rabbinic court can summon you, conduct a hearing about your Jewishness and revoke it," she wrote. "In effect, the entire nation of Israel is presumed to be Not-Jewish — until proven otherwise."


    One cannot measure "understanding of the Jewish soul" unless one knows who or what is actually Jewish.


    Newhouse, Alana. "The Diaspora Need Not Apply". The New York Times. July 17, 2010; page A27. NYTimes.com. July 19, 2010. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/16/opinion/16newhouse.html
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  7. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

    No, the new Jews are the ones that assimilate, Orthodox Zionist jews that make up much of Israel are as old as the Zealots.
  8. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

    So you can tell which one to kill, obviously.
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    When snipers shoot one year olds in the chest, soldiers gun down women carrying white flags and elite commandos bawl like babies after being overpowered by civilians with slingshots, it gives a whole new definition to the term "strong and unafraid". But I agree, not only Muslims but the whole world miscalculated their opinion of Israelis. They did not realise for one, that when they picked up guns they were exchanging them for their brains.
  10. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

    what's there to get. they are a bunch of spoiled self centered petulant children

    Right which is why the flagrantly violate international law.
    Israel has caused more deaths and hatred of jewish people than anything else in the world.
    Right so than why do they kill on whim?!
    I doubt that. the Torah if anything shows the jews lack compassion and care ony for their own wants. Why else would they make up a story of conquest when they were native to a region?

    its not.

    Israel is a anachronism. They never tolerated the palestinians. if they did they wouldn't have started a war to steal their land.
    IF the jews would have shown peace to the palestinians they would be living in palestine in peace but they choose war so that is what they reaped

    and the truth is the jews fucked up. they thought they could abuse the palestinians and they would walk away they didn't so you feel the need to try and paint your self as compassionate.
    except you didn't pull back you merely turned into a cage the zoo keepers never enter.
    their were no terrorists. that is an out right lie but that's par for the course with you.
    because its the truth
    your getting what you earned.
    they do see the truth the problem is you don't.
    because people are sickened by the crimes that Israel commits.
    they don't.
    the agressor does hold the blame.
    takes it to hurt I think you mean heart and if they took the reality and not your Hasbara to heart their would be peace by now.
    no he deosn't because he is reviled not for what he is but for what he does.

    bleck. I think I am going to throw up. This I am jew here roar nonsense trying to make the Israeli out to be victims well reviling those whop don't support their crimes is disgusting.

    We know they have chosen the path of violence.
    they don't have to dp anything to destroy ISrael's reputation they are doing a good enough job at by them selves. and this isn't a result of that. Israel choose violence 60 years ago and has never tried the way of peace.
    we don't have to delegitimize Israel existencxe we must merely recognize it never had any legitamcy.
    ?? lets see what happens when you attack america again bub
    vengenace you mean a thirst to harm maybe. the only ones who could have an honest quest for vengeance is the palestinians. the only thing fueling the Israelis is their own bigotry and greed.
    If they want to survive they should try and make peace.
    Well ISrael should be destroyed and returned to Its rightfuil owners the palestinians.

    Your a crazy one aren't you? sorry mods but this reads like a nut job's manifesto right before he goes on a killing spree. I mean honestly look at this its got the woe unto me. look how I have been harmed with no basis in fact. they pretend like they debated over the use of violence and the blaming of their past ,present, and future victims for the crimes against them.
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  11. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member


    Do you ever not embarrass yourself?
  12. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

    If only! They would have killed off all the Palestinians by now, problem over.

    Funny story, the jews invaded what would become Israel (Canaan), Moses it turns out was such a nice guy he would often have every man, woman, and child murdered and their land and property confiscated as bounties of war.

    Israel tolerates the Palestinians, to some degree by which variable amongst Israelis.

    no that was the Arabs.

    Another funny story, the Jews in the region were oppressed by the Palestinians and were under constant tick-for-tac conflicts with them even before the beginning of the last century. Maybe They could live in peace, in a ghetto.

    You mean their own country, just wondering in totality what are the Israeli getting at present as punishment for the mistreatment of Palestinians?

    aaaah no, the Palestinians and surrounding Arabs are so filled with hate, there will never be peace with Israel.

    victims, criminals, everyone is a little of both.

    Yeah that why they did not give back the Sinai, or remove the Gaza settlers.

    Or they could just keep doing what they do, they managed to make it 70 years so far.

    One crime for another, joy!

    No its reads like a trolls, trolling net.
  13. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

    Was it you who said to me you question the holocaust existence? or was it someone else? I cant remember.
  14. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

    When you question the horrific things that Muslims do to their own brothers and women on a daily basis throughout the entire Muslim world, then, maybe you can think of criticizing Jews.
  15. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    When did the Israelis ever "tolerate" the Palestinians?
  16. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

    Arab Israelis.
  17. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    Not Palestinian, and not all that well tolerated.
  18. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

    Many of them identify them selves as Palestinians, the only differences is they did not run off during the 1948 war. If your asking for degrees of toleration as some kind of cut of point I could just raise the bar and say Palestinians are "tolerated" because Israel does not kill them out right!
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  19. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    That's what Spock means by tolerate.
  20. Ganymede Valued Senior Member

    All the Palestinians need to do is revert to a non-violence movement. They should allow the camera's to show who the real aggressors are just as MLK did in the USA. It's kinda hard to spin using deadly force on unarmed citizens.
  21. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member


    Yes they were mis-calculated but not in the way you are asserting. Israelis were a very defense-oriented people due to a long trend of Nazi/Arab aggression. Now they have changed into aggressors (mostly land grabbing and intolerance). The mis-calculation that was made was that Israelis would always remain a defensive-oriented people.
  22. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

    Probably, but Israel is a little more tolerant then that.
  23. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    I think the Israeli mis-calculation was that the Arabs would not create their own national identity called Palestinian, and that other Arab countries would not welcome them into their countries.

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