Why Hypewaders Suspended Quadraphonics

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  1. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Lets put it this way. STOP GOADING ME! DO NOT USE MY NAME IN THIS DISCUSSION ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE SPEWING NONSENSE.
     
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  3. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    How exactly would that work? "Things aren't looking too good for you" means you're concerned about my psyche?

    Excuse me? I didn't even know you had one until now. Apparently, it's Dwy...but how exactly is my suspicion directed at him? You can't simply go around saying "moderators", because it doesn't involve Dwy in any way. The only issue was yourself, and if suspicion is sufficient cause for a report, fire away. I suppose I could be as guilty as anyone on the forums.

    Well, so far you've managed to mischaracterize me quite well, besides the offhand threat above. What am I supposed to think?

    I've posted that link twice now. Please also explain how "things aren't looking too good for you" could relate in any possible way to my "personality and hypocrisy".

    I have already contacted the administration; I'll be following this up shortly. Presumably, if you're right, I'll be kicked off, and you can be happy having really misrepresented me and got off scot-free. I don't see how you could object to that. Maybe you're completely in the right.

    You're expanding this issue to include Dwy again.
     
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  5. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Excuse me, Bells, but as irate as Lucy is, she does have a point here. Why are you dragging her into this?
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    In general I don't defend or attack, I merely apply the rules that each claims to uphold as their own principles and participate in the discussion under that aegis. For some reason atheists on this forum are not as faithful to their own ideology/principles as the religious. As for assigning subjective values of lesser and greater fundamentalism, that is entirely relative and depends on what I/you consider to be the "right way" to think. I generally pick a position and stand by it with the understanding that its a discussion of the ideology and not of the person professing it. I may have personal opinions of the ideology itself or of the person professing it, in which case I generally add the disclaimer "In my opinion..." to separate it from the general discussion. I do not believe that there are any people here with whom I have discussed their ideological leanings who have acted them out in any manner that may be considered extreme [some people might make an exception for sandy, but as we communicate both privately with each other as well as on the forums, I am fairly confident of my conclusions regarding her extremism]
     
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  8. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Well, Bells, I've thought it over, and am trying to reach a solution of some kind here. I tell you what: if you feel that I've been too hard on you, and that I've geniunely and unfairly impugned your moderacy, then I apologize.

    Now: will you do the same for the allegations you've leveled against me? These are infinitely more serious, as they represent the real world, and not an internet forum.
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    In my opinion, Geoff needs to read all his posts and figure out what he actually means before telling anyone else what he means.

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  10. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    In my opinion, Sam is not really the kind of person who should be offering advice about meaning to anyone. Eh, old mellah?

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  11. Bells Staff Member

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    That is rich coming from you.

    I had not been goading you, unlike you in other threads when you'd come in and make a disparaging and insulting comment about me, which I would largely ignore. I used you as an example because you had been cheering Quad on earlier, about his posts. I thought that would be fairly obvious.

    Dragging her into a thread that she had been participating in and cheering Quad in with his posts?

    More along the lines that you're looking like an anti-semitic retard.

    I can understand why you'd prefer to try to deflect it to something else. That is how you normally operate.

    Because of how you worded it:

    Now, had you directed it at me personally, we would not be having this discussion. The issue still stands. Please provide proof that I have or would moderate unfairly.

    Because I think you are a bigot? I don't think that it is. I'm not the one trying to fight against giving Muslims a place of worship in New York. You were. I'm not the one more concerned about anti-semitic songs than the deaths of 9+ people. That is you. I am not the one who continuously and repeatedly creates anti-Muslim threads and posts in anti-Islamic threads on this forum. That is you. So please, how have I managed to mischaracterise you again?

    Which is not proof when it was clearly aimed at your personality. There are only certain circumstances where I would moderate outside of my forum and my colleagues can tell you when those instances have been. My colleagues would also be in a position to tell you that I am the first to step back and ask another to moderate if there is even a hint of bias or if I feel that I would be acting in a manner that is biased and in those instances, I would seek their advice and ask them to act if they felt it necessary.

    Now I would suggest you provide proof that I have or would moderate unfairly before I report you for trolling.

    It is your choice to contact the administration. And if you are right and I have been found to moderate unfairly, I will be removed. You should bear in mind that I have not reported you as yet. My original request stands. 24 hours before I report you to them for trolling.

    You can accuse me of misrepresenting you all you please. My position on this stands. Your posting history on this forum is a testament of how you represent yourself on this forum and that is all I have had to go on. I would suggest you keep that in mind. Don't worry, I don't get off scott-free. Having to converse with you, even on this level, is not getting off scott-free.

    No. You did when you said "Human Science" and left it broadly open. I have every faith in Dwy in regards to the fact that he'd kick my arse if he thought I was moderating unfairly and vice versa. My comment to you is a gentle reminder that I do not moderate alone and to choose your words carefully.
     
  12. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    The problem here Geoff is that, in such cases, a good memory is a terrific advantage. Not to boast, but I have a comprehensive memory myself, which is why I recommend you actually read what that topic was about

    It went something like this:

    http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=2570044&highlight=mohalla#post2570044

    Notice how you don't seem to be able to keep track of what the discussion is really about?

    I am at all times, discussing auto-segregation in Orthodox Jews, I have no clue what you are discussing, if anything at all.

    In my opinion, your position is erratic and reactionary, without any aim of furthering or exploring the discussion and disconnected from the flow of the discussion itself.
     
  13. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    @Bells

    You may not have noticed but I stopped posting in this thread several pages ago and yet you felt the need to bring up my name when spewing some nonsense. If you don't want my diatribe then don't use my name. Its very simple.

    So please, stop doing it but if you continue to do so don't be surprised if I come back and insult you further.

    I am asking you to piss off in this regard.
     
  14. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Bells, Lucy has been absent from the thread for some time now. There's no point pulling her name back into this when she's clearly moved on.

    Wow, nice language. And how am I supposed to interpret this aspect from you? You demand more careful word choices below, I see.

    Actually, if that's the way you (now) choose to see it, why would I need to apologize to you directly? Look, you can't do this: first getting all upset that I've impugned you by not trusting you, and then pretending that I also meant Dywddyr. It just doesn't work that way.

    The next part of your post didn't make complete sense:

    ?? While I understand that you think I'm a bigot, the second sentence makes no sense.

    This is a total mischaracterization of that issue, actually, and my stance on the matter, as you well know.

    Again, this is a mischaracterization.

    Ooookay - I'm going to have to ask you for clarification on this one. No nicey-nice at this point. Which anti-Muslim threads have I created? You also used plurals here, so I have to presume I created more than one. I want you to document my anti-Muslim threads on this forum, and illustrate explicitly why they are anti-Muslim threads, rather than I think the interaction of Islam and politics is a really bad idea for humanitarian goals threads. Because, frankly, most people on the forum agreed with me on that one.

    It was not aimed at any such thing. If it were, you might have used the word "personality", or the phrase "gee you're looking like a bad person" instead of "it's not looking so good for you right now".

    Well, that's great, but I don't know that about you. All I have to work on - since I don't follow your career on here - is what you just wrote.

    I have done so, several times already. You don't like what I linked, but you can hardly deny it.

    Nice.

    'Gentle reminder'? Look, Bells, you can't argue this: first you get outraged that it's you, and now you're telling me that it's really about you and Dyw. But it's not, and I've told you it's not. This is getting ridiculous.
     
  15. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    On that part, we can agree. The problem is that you're taking cases of abuse by outsiders and applying it as some kind of 'explanatory variable' for Jewish auto-segregation. These things are unconnected; moreover, as your initial thesis was that Jewish segregation in the ME was due to their own supposed notions of superiority, you undermined your own thesis by considering it a European phenomenon. And you call me reactionary.

    In my opinion - you pick up these issues based on your own preconceptions, then draw in weak evidence without reading it more fully, and missing details that would be inimical to your case. In my opinion, when these arguments fail against an experienced reader, you damn the reader, or change the topic.
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Read very carefully - its in English:


    I try to make allowances for your limited experience of the world outside Anglo-Saxon society and the fact that you have no real idea of what multicultural societies with distinct separate identities are like. But when you take a word I use "mohalla" and pretend its another word "mellah" and then try to tell me what it means when I have either knowledge or experience of both and your words display only your ignorance of either and continue to conflate self segregation with forced segregation, its a bit excessive.

    There is only so much ignorance that is palatable however. The topic of European Orthodox Jewry self segregation has nothing to do with the mellah of Marrakesh. The topic of auto segregation does but not in the way you comprehend:

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    Next you'll be telling me that the Amish are forced into ghettos and denied electricity and modern infrastructure as a form of social oppression.

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  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    This thread has turned into a flame war on multiple fronts.

    Nothing good can come of this, so I'm closing it.
     
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