Why Homeopathy is getting more and more popular?

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience Archive' started by Dr. Nancy Malik, Sep 24, 2009.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. stereologist Escapee from Dr Moreau Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    685
    Here is the abstract for (Br Homoeopath J 1996 Apr;85(2):66-70).

    Here is Malik said:
    I'd call you a liar, but I think you are more likely posting without reading. Do you take more time with your patients than you do here?

    The count stands at: 1
     
  2. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  3. stereologist Escapee from Dr Moreau Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    685
    What's happening here right now is that we have someone claiming to a Homeopathy Doctor in India that is trying to convince us that there is ample scientific evidence for the efficacy of the work they do.

    The arguments are the typical ones:
    lots of people do it - that's proof NOT
    lots of people believe in it - that's proof NOT
    many scientific studies prove it - that proof NOT

    In the latter case a number of studies and meta-studies have been presented which have been shown to be either bad studies or report no statistical significance. The funniest posting so far may be the count of 1. To be honest checking out all of these fraudulently posted claims I've lost track. Anyways, in this meta-study they found a small but statistically significant difference between homeopathy and a placebo. The funny part was that the meta-study stated they could not identify any specific treatments where homeopathy was effective, but overall it seemed to do something.
     
  4. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  5. Dr. Nancy Malik Homeopathic Physician Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    231
    You are making your own assumptions and your own conclusions. Good luck
     
  6. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  7. Dr. Nancy Malik Homeopathic Physician Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    231
    It's not just Prince Charles. The following have also endorsed Homeopathic Medicine:

    The entire British Royal family, including: Queen Elizabeth II, Prince Charles

    Sports personalities: David Beckham

    Famous People from the Past
    Charles Dickens, W.B. Yeats, William Thackeray, Benjamin Disraeli, Pope Pius X, Louisa May Alcott, Susan B. Anthony, William Lloyd Garrison, Daniel Webster, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, William Seward, artist Jackson Pollock, W.C. Fields, and former American Presidents James Garfield and William McKinley.

    ther modern-day famous people who have publically declared their interest in and support for homeopathic medicine include:
    Catherine Zeta-Jones, Whoopi Goldberg, Pamela Anderson, Jane Fonda, Cher, Rosie O'Donnell, Martin Sheen, the Chili Peppers, Jane Seymour, Lesley Anne Warren, Axl Rose, Linda Gray, Susan Blakely, Michael Franks, Cybill Sheppard, Vidal Sassoon, Angelica Houston, Boris Becker, Martina Navratilova, Priscilla and Lisa Marie Presley, Cliff Robertson, Jerry Hall, Diane von Furstenberg, Ashley Judd, Naomi Judd, Olivia Newton-John, Julianna Margulies, JD Salinger, Blythe Danner, Pat Riley (coach of the Miami Heat), and England's Prime Minister Tony Blair

    More details at http://www.homeopathicrevolution.com/pages/table_of_contents.jsp
     
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2009
  8. Dr. Nancy Malik Homeopathic Physician Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    231
    You are yourself a liar. This one is a randomised trial
     
  9. Dr. Nancy Malik Homeopathic Physician Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    231
    I am not here to convince you. You or the patient or for matter of fact anyone has the right to choose or discard homeopathy or any medical system for the matter of fact.

    However loud the conventional pharmaceutical industry shouts, no one listens to their false propoganda against homeopathy. It is due to this only that in the last decade homeopathy have surpassed all other complementary and alternative treatments to reach at the top and is now the second largest mode of treatment in world after conventional

    Why do you think hundreds of millions of people worldwide go for homeopathic medicines? Are they fool? I think they are wise. They knew they have been cured when they last time they took it. So the next time they again prefer homeopathic medicine. No one spends money on things which are not beneficial to them.
     
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2009
  10. stereologist Escapee from Dr Moreau Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    685
    Once again you are the liar. I never said it wasn't randomized. Reading does count. I showed that you posted a study that is not statistically significant.

    I suspect that you're not really as stupid as you come off. I'm suggesting that you are not checking on the rubbish you post.
     
  11. stereologist Escapee from Dr Moreau Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    685
    Again this is the false appeal to many believers.

    The count stands at: 1
     
  12. stereologist Escapee from Dr Moreau Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    685
    Can you believe it. Here is a story in the regular news about alternative medicine.

    From http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/ap_on_he_me/med_unproven_remedies_placebo
    Experts: Placebo power behind many natural cures

     
  13. Dr. Nancy Malik Homeopathic Physician Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    231
    Conventional, alternative or complementary is as per see.

    A person who prefers, let's say homeopathy, as a first line of treatment, conventional is an alternative/complimnetary medicine for him.

    Likewise a person who took conventional as first line of treatment, other forms of treatment are complementary/alternative.

    For your kind reference, alternative medicine has gone mainstream. Here have a look at the data

    U.S. Census data reported that in the preceding three years, total spending for alternative care grew by 83%, from $10.3 billion in 1987 to $18.9 billion in 1990, while total expenditures paid to mainstream physicians increased by 56%, from $90 billion to $141 billion. Not since President Nixon brought acupuncture back from China has interest in alternative medicine been so great.

    A follow-up study published in the November 11, 1998 issue of the Journal of the AMA reported a 47.3% increase in visits to alternative medicine practitioners, from 427 million in 1990 to 629 million in 1997 - a number that exceeded total visits to all US primary care physicians.

    A federally funded survey in 2007 found that in the previous year nearly 5 million Americans used homeopathic remedies,

    Annual revenues in Western Europe reached US$ 5 billion in 2003-2004. In China sales of products totaled US$ 14 billion in 2005.

    In Australia alone, a study conducted in 2004 show that more than 1.9 million consultations of the alternative therapies including homeopathy take place with a turnover of 85 million AUD.

    So here's a chance to be apart of history: Keep beating the same bush or be apart of growing movement which is creating ripples all around the world.

    So it's time to think and ponder: What is there in alternative medicine which is not there in conventional medicine? Why are people looking towards nature and natural ways of cure which is not demanding on body but goes with the body?
     
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2009
  14. stereologist Escapee from Dr Moreau Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    685
    I am well aware that people use unproven remedies. The issue here is that homeopathy does not work. Oh, and you left this part out:
    Don't forget the count stands at: 1
     
  15. Dr. Nancy Malik Homeopathic Physician Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    231
    Let you keep on doing research then and people keep on flocking alternative medicine practitioners.

    P.S.: Double blind studies come in 1960's only. People fall ill before and get cured also. Still homeopathy passed many double blind studies
     
  16. Dr. Nancy Malik Homeopathic Physician Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    231
    my idea is not to tell that conventional medicine is bad but it is many times superficial mode of treatment, effective in first aids and acute problems mazinly or better remove and/or transplant the organ. It is more of organopathy where "correct the defective organ" is the first objective and " control the disease " is second objective.

    It is also not pro-biotic. It does not think that immune can be triggered to handle the disease. Homeopathy triggers immune system so as to heal itself

    Conventional medicine basically quickens the metabolic rate to get rid of the viruses. Not all patients survive this or they are trying to kill the germs through anti-biotics and do not provide any data as if what all have they killed.Or they expose men to the radiations

    There is less of Chronic Conditions cured with conventional medicine.

    This is shifting mechanism from one specialist to another while under treatment for chronic disease

    e.g. from Arthritis treatment to Cardiac Ward,
    from steroids treatment to transplantations,
    Iritis treatment to lens replacements.
    Intestinal inflamations by NSAIDs to apendex removals.
    Ovaritis Inflamations to Surgury for removing the infected ovary.
    Kidney dysfuntions to removal of kidney.

    As far as that I have seen is that adult patients having chronic diseases, in a little span of 5 to 6 years would be seen shifting to specialists and finally reach Operation theatre

    It's basically "Once on medicine - always on medicine " treatment. Of cource with an exception of Acute, seasonal and emergency complaints.

    Courtesy/Source/Reference: Dr. SFA, NCH
     
  17. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,423
    You're only deluding yourself nancy. Maybe if you go to a new age site and preach homeopathy youll get some believers willing to spend their $$$ on the placebo effect.
     
  18. stereologist Escapee from Dr Moreau Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    685
    This is a lie. If this were true, then the count would be over 1.
     
  19. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    19,252
    All of which merely shows that gullibility is more prevalent than the common cold.
    I wonder if anyone will ever come up with a cure for that?
     
  20. stereologist Escapee from Dr Moreau Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    685
    That's a complete misrepresentation of conventional medicine. Since all you have shown is that homeopathy is the placebo effect it shows that your trade is the superficial treatment.

    One of the interesting lessons from cancer studies is that the immune system does not fight cancer. The efforts to boost the immune system to deal with cancer failed, because of that reason.

    This metabolic rate claim is more horse-pucky. Unlike the sham you proclaim, conventional medicine has successfully dealt with a number of diseases including smallpox, guinea worm disease, and polio. In India, where you practice, one of the more common diseases is leprosy which can be effectively dealt with using conventional antibiotics. It must that people are as you say swarming to your con game that has left these people in a diseased state.

    This is a science site. Prove it. Where is the evidence?

    These vacuous claims may con your patients into the dangers of using your placebos, but here you need to provide evidence.

    Another worthless anecdote.

    The count stands at: 1
     
  21. stereologist Escapee from Dr Moreau Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    685
    Leprosy is a disease that has existed or at least been reported for 4000 years including being reported in India. My intent here is not to stigmatize India, but to point to a disease that has an effective treatment. Failure to eradicate this disease is due to a number of issues which include the use of worthless treatments such as homeopathy.

    From the Wikipedia:
    From http://www.leprosy.ca/india
    From http://www.indiatogether.org/2006/aug/hlt-leprosy.htm
    This disease infected >50 people per 10000 before the introduction of modern conventional medicines, part of which was developed by conventional medicine researchers in India. Now conventional medicines are bringing the disease under control.
     
  22. Dr. Nancy Malik Homeopathic Physician Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    231
  23. Dr. Nancy Malik Homeopathic Physician Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    231
    Homeopathy for cancer

    http://www.homeopatia.edu.pl/index.asp?idm=2&idp=13&ide=41
    http://www.freewebs.com/homeopathy249/cancerremediespti.htm
    http://www.homeorizon.com/mainpagegeneral.asp?t=86.htm
    http://www.drramakrishnan.com/book.htm
    http://excalibur.110mb.com/cancerstats.htm
    http://homeoint.org/books/bogphilo/phicance.htm

    Side effects of antibiotic (because they kill healthy bacteria as well)

    http://www.chiro.org/ChiroZine/ABSTRACTS/antibiotics.shtml
    http://www.physorg.com/news104754091.html
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page