Why does Jupiter have a Great Red Spot?

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by Magical Realist, Aug 25, 2014.

  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Not sure if I have mentioned it before, but the generally accepted theory of Jupiter [and all gas giants] having a rocky core, stems from the planetary formation accretion disk theory, and is sometimes known as "bottom up" theory.
    The general theory is that any gaseous planet would needed to have formed a rocky core first [as in terrestrial planets] in the very early part of the stellar system, to capture such humungous amounts of gases. Which is why those rocky cores are thought to be many times more massive then Earth....in fact, as already mentioned, the size of Uranus and Neptune.
    And the accretion disk planetary formation theory has been observationally supported many times, with this same aspect being observed in the search for extra-solar planets.
     
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  3. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    I am left with two interpretations of your posts:
    1. You were genuinely attempting to show that paddoboy was wrong.
    2. You're telling the truth and you were simply trolling him.

    Which would you prefer I take and act upon?

    ...

    I did, hence this conversation.

    At this point I'm begining to genuinely believe you're trolling, then and now.

    Right, so that's your understanding of the status of the matter. That's great.
     
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  5. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    Trippy, my Post #32 and Post #35 were a response and follow-up to your Post #30 :
    At this point you have, with your 'interpretations', taken our 'correspondence' in another direction.

    Trippy, I cannot respond to your question : "Which would you prefer I take and act upon?"
    The reason that I cannot respond to your question is because of the opening paragraph of your Post #27 :
     
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  7. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Correct - and you'll note the use of the interrogative at the end of the sentence - it's phrased as a question IE: I'm asking you to explain why you think that a liquid core is exclusive of it being rocky.

    Communication is interpretation. I've only got what you write to go by.

    I'm not sure what you want me to say here DMOE?
     
  8. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Well, so far i have read the different post and it seems that there is a great deal of predjudice, and less open minded conversation.

    Clearly Trippy you position in the argument supports your favor of friend rather than dicussion for learning or discover about issues of jupiters red spot.

    In any event all of those people who join in disscussion have a view point thats why they are here on the forums, to enjoy like intrest.

    There are issues regarding jupiter that apprently remain unresovled, the forum does not support graphics or a easy means to present papers or pictures to further help people in making their view point obvious to others so they mostly only have words to write.

    since my post was moved to the location for disreaged comments it makes it difficult to exsplain my opinion on the issue of the red spot of jupiter, but i can say this much it requires a understanding of the operation of gravity. gravity simply has places of opposition, which result in barriers much like layers of silt forund in the K2 barrier, such barriers divide jupiters interior. as a result of desnity within a gravity barrier objects form.

    the formation of the red strom on jupiter is just the transition of material upward from one barrier into the plain or zone of another and settleing in the gravity zone or barrier, the material crosses a massive oject (moon or solid body) which is the cause for the gravity displacement across a barrier, the result is a storm appearing as the red spot.

    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     
  9. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    A moon inside the atmosphere of Jupiter would be too close to maintain orbit. It would plunge into the core just like any other large object would do, like that comet that hit Jupiter some years ago.
     
  10. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Which friend are you on about?
    Me? Trippy has seen the need to moderate me at least three times since I have participated on this forum.
    Perhaps its just a simple matter of logic, common sense, observation and data. And I object to your baseless claims of any impropriety.



    We are as confident as we can be that the great red spot on Jupiter is a storm caused by issues already mentioned, some of which also apply to why we have storms on Earth.
    That is resolved.


    Your post that you are referring to was actually a heap of fanciful, non supported nonsense, and which I did comment on at that time.


    More errant nonsense.
     
  11. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Well, good paddyboy I am glad to see that you have a firm standing in opinion, but the descriptive wording of sarcasim is a little to much for international conversation.

    Like i said to understand the issue you have to understand the actual effects of gravity, the role that it carries in the formation of ojbects, the common understanding that things fall to the ground when you drop them, or that gravity is one way directional as a force will not serve to give you a correct view point.

    why we have storms on earth has some simularity to things that happen else where on other planets, but you will not find any storm on earth that is the same as the red spot on jupiter. however if you wanted to you could say that it was a huge volcano on jupiter pushing up dust you might do better as the the respot on jupiter appears to be some what stationary.

    if you do not like my opinion about the red spot on jupiter, that is find by me, but as you will find no body is giving a definitive awnser to the orgin of the red spot on jupiter, but me.

    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     
  12. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Reported.
    For being a near-illiterate loon.
     
  13. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Well, certainly such a comment as that is not even in the concerns of the red spot on jupiter.

    So then Dywyddyr you should take time to actually use your brain so that your mind has the ablitly carry out a real opinion and not just impulsive behavior, it is easy to runoff at the mouth or in this case the fingers when you have nothing to do, how ever it can lead to the formation of patterns in brain that become bad behaviors.

    So the next time you direct a comment to me in this disscusion topic make sure it is about the red spot on jupiter or at least pretaining to jupiter.

    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     
  14. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    A few points for you to digest....
    [1] I don't really give a stuff about your opinion, as obviously it is just made up pseudoquackery, with no grounds for reality other then in your mind.
    [2] The many points I have given for the great red spot, is actually evidenced by observational data in many aspects, as well as atmospheric experience on Earth.
    [3] The reasons I have given are all mainstream accepted reasons for the red spot, for the simple reason, that it makes a terrible lot of sense....
    [4] You have not given any scientific answer with any backing evidence to support your claim.
    [5]If you chose to believe your silly errant nonsense, that's your problem...The scientific world progresses without such pseudocrap quite well and such opinions should be shifted to the cesspool, as was the original post of yours proposing such crap.

    Finally, as I tell all those suffering from maladies such as delusions of grandeur, tall poppy syndrome, and conspiracy nonsense, if you really had anything, anything at all, either supporting your nonsense, or invalidating the incumbent theory, you would not be here.
    You would be writing up a scientific paper and getting peer review.

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    But not much chance of that now is there?

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    And obviously as we all know, science forums although being a great outlet for discussing proper scientific knowledge, it is also the only vehicle that the many nutbags have to push their drivel.
     
  15. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Well,
    It seems paddyboy that you just barely maintain conversation on the subject of jupiters red spot, even so within your post you show a great deal of distaste for view points regarding the red spot on jupiter, you may have problems dealing with changing views as new data is collected about the giant gas planet.

    Certainly your failure to understand or to try to understand the circumstance that invovle jupiter and the conditions of its enviroment leave you unstable in you opinion, i can only guess that you have not taken a serious interest in the planet and its features, jupiter I assume does not serve you everyday life interest.
    I assume aslo that you accept the limited views or opinions by what is stated in public information, well i to also consider the speculation presented by public agencies and so forth, howevey i have spent many years in math and astronomy ect.... which give me the ability to form reasonable certain answsers.

    you Can by no mean assume the level of ignorance that you portay in you comments about me in your most recent post, let alone about anyone esle because you impress your self with your vocabulary. such a use of vocabulary sets your by your self and confusing your self. to seem to be intelligent is not enough.

    The subject in this topic is about jupiter, and its red spot that is visable even from earth, of which you said you could not care about my opinion, but gravity and aggreate formation is not just a opinion it is a fact, gravity barriers is a fact not a opinion. even if we carried out a argument of the events at the base of the red storm on jupiter, and decided that it is the result of a supercooled enviroment that the red storm formed, the fact would still remain that jupiter has gravity barriers and various solid body object within gaseous atmosphere which are the result of small spot storms and disturbances in the gas atmosphere.


    Dwayne D.L.Rabon
     
  16. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Request to mods: please excise Rabon's nonsensical (and unhelpful) drivel.
    Thanks.
     
  17. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Your peers on this forum shall be the judge of what abilities you have and have not.
    I have certainly formed mine, even though I was not here in the old days.

    http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/ask/91-What-is-the-Great-Red-Spot-on-Jupiter-


    http://www.universetoday.com/15163/jupiters-great-red-spot/

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/solarsystem/solar_system_highlights/atmosphere_of_jupiter


    http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/jupiter/redspot.html


    http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2014/15may_grs/


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Jupiter
     
  18. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    BTW Magical Realist, since you started this thread, similar atmospheric storms have been observed on all the gaseous giants in our system, even an hexagonal one on Saturn's north pole as mentioned earlier.
     
  19. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I already told you that..
     
  20. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Did you?
    Actually I got that info a few years ago from the Cassini mission summary at NASA.

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  21. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Well, one thing is certain most space agency explain that the current knowledge about jupiter as well as many planetary bodies is transitional, that they will know more when they get more data, or even that thier view point might change when exisiting newly gained data is finished being translated which may take several years.
    so unless you have some greater means of determination, such as math skills ect... most things said about jupiter are ideas, or theory and opinions. so ideas might be correct and others later shown to be wrong.

    Paddyboy such storms within the solar system, are not relatively stationary in thier activity, in other words such storms as the great red spot seen on jupiter are not the same as here on earth.

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  22. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    In summing, scientists are pretty sure that the great red spot [storm] on Jupiter, is caused by many aspects peculiar to Jupiter, and aspects that probably also exist on Earth.....
    Rotational rates of Jupiter's spin, differential spin rates at different latitudes and different depths, the observable change in the region [as storms do undergo]great depth of atmosphere, incredible density of atmosphere and express spin rates to sum up. ....In effect it is simply a giant vortex [cyclone] fed by the conditions mentioned, plus the eternal heat supply of Jupiter and its rocky core.
    There may even be some other unknown aspects of which we are unaware, but most certainly the ones mentioned would play a part.
    Some of these conditions may be also responsible for Saturn's weird hexagonal shape cloud formation at its northern polar regions....
    http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2010/2471.html
     
  23. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Well, i will admit that vortexs, behavioral motion simular to a cyclone,hurricane, whorlpool and or tornando would be the right call to make.

    so then in such a discription it has a pattern simular to events on earth.

    In contrast the cause and conditions (Reason for) of the red spot are not the same as here on earth.

    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     

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