Why Does God Allow Satan To Live?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Bowser, Jul 25, 2017.

  1. river

    What are you on about ?
    Last edited: Oct 5, 2017
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  3. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

    For one thing, you said, "god is satan , yahweh , enlil in ancient texts . Enki opposes enlil . satan (yahweh ) wants to enslave Humanity. Enki wants to enlighten Humanity . So that Humanity is not enslaved by satan ."
    Where do those ideas come from if not from shamans/clergy/people-who-claim-to-know-about-gods? You seem to disagree with them. Do you agree or disagree?
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  5. gmilam Valued Senior Member

    After he kicked them out, he did put a flaming sword at the gate to keep them from sneaking back in.
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  7. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

    Yeah, barn door move.
  8. Ted Grant II Registered Senior Member

    Satan is essential for the whole God story.
    Let me use an analogy.
    Suppose Lex Luthor was never invented,
    or the Sheriff of Nottingham,
    or The Joker,
    or Captain Hook,
    or The Wicked Witch of the North
    or Svidrigailov
    or Moriarty
    then lots of Heroes would have very little to do.

    Notice that in very many stories, you get a Super-hero and a Super-enemy
    and the Super-enemy has nearly, but not quite, the same powers as the Super-hero.

    For a happy ending, the Super-hero has to win or at least survive for the next installment,
    with the promise/hope that eventually, Good will overcome Evil.
    Sometimes, the hero is a dimwit who somehow manages to get the girl and overcome all adversities. Sometimes, like Popeye, the hero needs a magic resource or friend.
    In "The Thief of Baghdad", the hero finds a Genie in a bottle.

    Without Bad there would be no need for Good.
    God could not be Good without Evil.

    From the book of Revelation, we learn about the End Times when Satan will be killed by Jesus and his army of Angels. However, it is essential that the End Times will be in the future.
    The Theologians do not want the story to end, not just yet.

    If Satan didn't exist, alive and kicking, then the story of God would not be so exciting,
    there wouldn't have been a cunning serpent in the Garden to tempt Eve,
    and there wouldn't have been any point in having the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
    so there wouldn't be the Fall of man, so there wouldn't be the need for Jesus to die to save us.

    Without problems, we would have nothing to do.
    That's why I think Heaven must be the most boring place in the Universe
    (given that the Universe is defined as the set of all things)

    In the fine art of Advertising, there is a general principle that illustrates why Satan is essential.
    They give you a problem, for example, your cleaner has poor suction,
    then they give you the solution, the new bagless wonder cleaner.
    Without the poor suction, you would keep your old cleaner.
    The American Dream depends on that poor suction.
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2017
  9. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

    Disagree. God would be fine as a concept without Satan, but then people couldn't explain evil. With Satan in the picture, everything evil can be attributed to him. It's a good cop, bad cop situation.
  10. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

    Oh, shit, the "no joy without sadness" nonsense. Laziest explanation for evil ever formed.
  11. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

    Or god's fallibility.

    river and sideshowbob like this.
  12. Ted Grant II Registered Senior Member

    I agree.
    Your analysis is brief, but to the point.
    Obviously, I don't like the sadness bit, anymore than you, and I suppose eternal bliss has got to be better than life as we know it.
    My point was that the God story needs the sadness.
    It's not my story.
    Evil sucks, but my cleaner doesn't, so in order to get me to buy a new cleaner, the advertiser tells me what is wrong with my old one.
    The Church uses the concept of evil to suck people into their imaginary world that promises eternal bliss.
    And they need money.
    A few dollars every week is a small price to pay for eternal bliss*.
    (again, *not my story!).
  13. Ted Grant II Registered Senior Member

    (sigh!) YES, I completely agree.
    (sigh!!) It's not my story, it's the story made up by people that want fame and fortune by selling the invisible product that sweeps clean !
  14. river

    Absolutely true

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