Why do theists reject evolution?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Xelasnave.1947, Apr 11, 2020.

  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Your own words are a "silly game?" While I agree, it doesn't do much for your credibility.
    Trolling trolling who can Jan get going?
    I agree. Few people I know say that.
     
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  3. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Unfortunately Jan, you are part of an ever shrinking minority who go against something so obvious. And, we both know why.

    Your refusal to understand the theory doesn't make it any less scientific. If it were political, why don't we see politicians battling over it?

    You are wrong, it is true and we both know why you don't accept it.

    We finally come to that reason, which you have also finally been honest about, a scientific theory that you believe jeopardizes your philosophy, your worldview, your faith. Nothing more. That's why you refuse to understand it, that's why you deny it and that's why you label it as a materialistic philosophy. It's got nothing to do with us, with the theory, with the evidence, with anything other than your fear of it.

    That is what your faith teaches you, to call everyone else who doesn't follow your faith, a fool. Who's the real fool, Jan? Could it be the person who denies the truth over his faith simply because he fears it? That's how children operate, Jan. Grow up.
     
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  5. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I think we have all called each other a fool from time to time and common decency tells me it is wrong to do so and no doubt you are aware of the following passage...below somewhat.

    But we all do it even Jesus called folk fools. I find it curious that when writing the Jesus myth that slipped thru.

    Anyways here I go preaching to the converted and let this remind us that irrespective of one's beliefs the bible is a book full of stories to guide us but this passage and it meaning does not have to be extracted from allegory and is quiet clear as to what is preferred behaviour.

    Matthew 5:22
    But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
    (Openbible.info)

    I have no problem with you holding your belief Jan whether it's about the existence of a creator or your rejection of science or even the rejection of evidence...it is disappointing but from the approach that I strongly suspect that you have been conned and therefore unable to access information at all rationally...but to see you lie breaks my heart..it really does. I don't lie yet you do. I can handle all the differences between us but I can not tolerate that you lie, more so that you are so arrogant that you think no one notices..I notice others here notice and if you were really serious about your God you should believe that he would notice.

    It is shameful and I encourage you to argue for your beliefs without being so casual about lieing.

    Alex
     
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  7. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Moreover...the lieing approach is seems to be part and parcel of the believers tool kit.

    This Discovery Institute what a miserable bunch they are...look their desire is to destroy science for no other reason than it conflicts with their good book. Selfish and miserable and intolerant of an alternative supportable view.

    That is religion gone bad and lieing becomes their only tool...clearly they only pay lip service to this god of theirs and certainly not in the least concerned to discard decent behaviour.

    It is a pity that folk become so bitter and twisted they have to set out to destroy science.

    Interestingly science has never set out to destroy religion as all it does is to present the best explanation for available evidence in a rational unpredjudiced fashion which is the opposite of a theist feeling threatened by the fact their side lacks the evidence which is the key stone of science.

    Alex
     
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  8. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    It doesn't really have to. In fact, this doesn't need to be an issue at all: if the biblical literalists don't believe some aspects of science, nobody would give them a hard time. The fundamentalist hierarchy turned it into an issue by prosecuting school-teachers (starting with one John Thomas Scopes) for teaching science in science class; by making it illegal to tell the truth. It's not because they were afraid anybody force something on them; it's that they refused to relinquish control over the minds of their children. They brook no challenges to their absolute power.
    There is very big money in keeping people pregnant, barefoot, ignorant and frightened. It's no accident that very devout nations have a lower standard of living of living than progressive ones.
    The leechocracy made it political.
     
  9. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    One wonders at this time whether Jan somehow fits into the highlighted section. The mind boggles!!

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  10. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    I very much doubt it. All leechocracies recruit tools: shills, expediters, enforcers, mouthpieces and patsies.
     
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  11. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I certainly understand where they are coming from..If I was King or Dictator I would make religion compulsory for those I sort to control..I am not stupid I can see the appeal of religion

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    the only holidays would be to have religious festivals so you can see who is sneaking off to go fishing or the like. And gather cash to keep unemployment under control..if they don't have a job well get here and volunteer for some church building.
    It's a good system ..you don't want folk thinking or going fishing.
    But until I am king I will point out how evil religion is...in my view.
    Nevertheless I find that I can look at the bible and interpreted it successfully.. like in the beginning if you substitute nature for god you get a picture that science delivers..it is unfortunate we can't amend the parts that are wrong or incapable of fitting into science...like instead of God creating man..we could have something to the effect that life uses basic elements that one would find in the Earth..the rib thing..certainly a hint that women can be a pain..perhaps...it's a great book the way I read it...or as I surprise people when I say..I am a good Christian it's just that I don't believe in God or the resurrection.

    But at least I am a Christian they think..better than one of them thar atheists.

    A side note, a friend of my daughter wants to meet me for a chat...I had reservations..I mean why???? 73 and living in a caravan unshaven long hair etc...so she sends a friend request and finally I accept...I see something she wrote which is such a coincidence given I was thinking about this...we have god given rights and we are all sovereign souls or creatures..whatever.. so I wrote to her and said I have to be honest but I think you are full of it...etc etc.
    I think my daughter has a nasty sense of humour.
    Alex
     
  12. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Noooooo

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  13. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I have just read this ladies reply..it's worse than I thought.
    The bad news is my daughter thinks she is wise etc...well my daughter just got a text , a couple actually, that I let it fly..I and so disappointed in her sadly. But really I must thank Jan as if not for him alerting to me how dangerous these delusions are I probably never would have noticed. I can't meet this woman face to face as I think I would lose it badly...the again maybe she is after a severe crushing.
    Alex
     
  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Not of the amorous kind

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  15. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    You know how it goes..once they know you do it....
    Alex
     
  16. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Why bother? The Abrahamic religions are late-comers. Judaism worked well enough for the chosen people of that god, in that time and locale. Christianity, as elaborated by Paul and his bishops, turned out to work very well for Rome's ambitions in pagan Europe. (It transplanted very badly to the Americas; don't know how much damage it did Australia.) Islam was a useful political and military tool for Muhammad and his successors.
    But none of them really get close to basic spirituality (for that, go to the religions of pre-civilized peoples) which has nothing to do with science. These are two aspects of the human imagination that do not ever need to meet or be reconciled. That's the biggest mistake philosophers make: trying to synthesize facets on opposite sides of a polyhedron. It's like putting cookie dough, marshmallows, peanut butter chips and cherry pieces in ice cream - unnecessary, wasteful and it spoils all the ingredients.
     
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  17. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Arrrrrh lunch

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  18. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    This woman is crazy crazy crazy...I am seriously worried about my daughter being associated with this nut job..and bitterly disappointed that she respects this fool...and I said so and expect she will sulk with me but I really don't care I keep another daughter in reserve.

    Alex
     
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  20. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    I'm a (poly)theist and I don't reject evolution at all. You're making overgeneralizations again.
     
  21. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Here is a video that has the presentor distilling the aspects of dishonesty that he has found when discussing, amoung other things, evolution with theists and I don't know if it's just me but the folk he discusses remind me of someone here..on a few aspects at least.



    Alex
     
  22. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    May I suggest that:
    Conflating theirts and abrahamists is most likely obfuscatory?
     
  23. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    You are a statistical blip so tiny as to make no discernible mark on the political landscape.
    When indicting the domineering religions, it rarely occurs to advocates to make special exemptive mention of Druids, Wiccans, Solcultrists and others too numerous. You're simply not on our list.
    You can always sign up for the list of those oppressed by monotheists.
     

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