Why do so many pot smokers like Eastern religions?

Discussion in 'Eastern Philosophy' started by John J. Bannan, Jul 17, 2007.

  1. zotwelve Registered Member

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    hahahahaha

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    i'm pretty :m: and all my friends just looked at me all awkward cause i started laughing out loud.
     
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  3. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Yeah, actually ... I think that's the one. But ... wait. Who had the "Ganesh cones"? Crap, I see there's only a few hundred brands out there. But paint me pink and call me a Cheney, I actually managed to forget about the classic Nag.

    Must be the smoke.

    :m:
     
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  5. s0meguy Worship me or suffer eternally Valued Senior Member

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    lol - since when are indians a race? i thought that you so called 'anti-racists' persist that there is no such thing as race among humans?
     
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  7. Grantywanty Registered Senior Member

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    I assume you are correct about what you thought.

    Me, I think the word racist describes certain people rather well.
     
  8. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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  9. Grantywanty Registered Senior Member

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    One person earned the title for saying the native americans were stupid. Meaning that whites were smarter. This is an intellectual error, assuming that the ability and interest in creating certain cultural artifacts rather than others is a good way to gauge intelligence. Since this error was being used to make a negative judgement about members of another ethnic group (or ethnic groups) it's racism.

    The judgement was about an essential quality of that group. It was not talking about historical actions or cultural tendencies. If you say African Americans are more violent, you are talking about essential qualities of a specific group of humans. This is racism. And so were the comments made by this speaker.
     
  10. Search & Destroy Take one bite at a time Moderator

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    hey! I'm a pot smoking buddhist

    I just deleted a rambling paragraph for something simpler *your welcome*

    Smoking pot is meditation. You become more aware of your thoughts under the influence. Therefor meditation becomes the common link between the two.

    Free thinking
    philosophic thoughts

    those two concepts don't easily fall under Orthodox Judaism, but for Buddhism I'd say they are.

    (for hallucinogenics too)
     
  11. grover Registered Senior Member

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    Smoking pot is not meditation. Meditating is like lifiting weights for the mind. If you meditate you will develop above average abilities of concentration/attention/awareness. Meditation can lead to enlightenment. There is not a single person that ever became enlightened by smoking pot. I'm not anti-pot, it's just not meditation.
     
  12. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Take a few bong hits, put on some good tunes, sit back, and let go of your thoughts. Smoking dope may not be meditation in and of itself, but it is conducive to various forms of meditation.

    And it's true that the simple act of smoking pot does not bring enlightenment. See the second sentence of the preceding paragraph.
     
  13. grover Registered Senior Member

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    Let go of your thoughts...is that possible after a few bong hits?
     
  14. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    is naturally possible, as a matter of fact, it helps you reach that state of mind easier; it is of enormous help for that purpose.
     
  15. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    Let me give you an example:
    About two weeks ago, I was smoking a spliff at my house, alone. As a natural reaction to THC, my heart beat started getting faster; some people see this as a bad thing, and they experience neurosis or paranoia. But I don´t, off course I knew it was likely that my heart beat was going to fasten its pace, no need to worry. So I started concentrating in my heart beat, imagining that it was the same heart beat of the Earth; not only that, but I stablished the pace in my head on which I wanted my heart to beat. I realized my heart beat was back to normal in less than a minute, I was able to manipulate the pace of my heart, with my imagination. Curious huh?
    After I was all relaxed from stablishing a slow-paced heart beat consciously, I managed to meditate for quite a while; I seriously love to meditate in that state of mind.
     
  16. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    I guess the question remains, that if smoking pot is the short cut to eastern meditative success, why it appears to only have taken off in a big way with westerners ....
     
  17. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    This seems like a rash statement. Other People, who have studied the subject, disagee.
    http://library.thinkquest.org/C0115926/drugs/cannabis.htm
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    .......From China the hemp was brought to India, where its psychotropic characteristics became an inseparable part of the culture of the country. Nowadays about 200 million people in India use cannabis. As the legend goes one day Sheeva (an Indian god) was resting under the shadow of the hemp and he tasted its leafs from curiosity. He liked it and from that moment on the hemp became his favorite food. From ancient times until today the leafs of the hemp are used for the making of a beverage called “bhang”, which is served in India, as tradition goes, to all the guests in the house. In many parts of the country people say that “a feast is no feast, when there is no “bhang” on the table”. Except leafs the “bhang” also contains milk, sugar and a wide variety of spices – from pepper to roses’ buds. In India the cannabis served the role, which the alcohol had in other societies. But some of the religious movements thought of it even more highly. The worshipers of the goddess Kali (the celestial wife of Sheeva) used it in their sexual rituals to achieve complete spiritual and carnal merging with the goddess......
     
  18. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    yes

    BG 2.61: One who restrains his senses, keeping them under full control, and fixes his consciousness upon Me, is known as a man of steady intelligence.

    not much mention of such meditation in the link you provided
     
  19. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Do you mean.....
    Smoking pot is popular in many countries, particularly in Asia where the practise originated and is still hugely practised. Only in the west is it used seriously as an aid to meditation.
     
  20. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    certainly

    any big guru who has come out of india to advocate pot use as the short cut to meditative success did so because they had a western audience
     
  21. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Which gurus are you thinking of? Which ones advocate pot use?
     
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  22. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Because they didn't have the resources or knowledge via trade to develop bronze smelting, iron smelting, or gunpowder. Same reason many subsaharan and east island cultures never got beyond a copper age. Limited resources, and limited trade.

    Optimism, perhaps?
     
  23. Search & Destroy Take one bite at a time Moderator

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    it's interesting. Ive been in cultures where weed is natural and looked at as, in regards too its taboo-ity, equally to tobaco or alcohol. So naturally they smoke it just as much as the two examples, and it becomes a routine drug.

    But treated as special and taken with meditative purposes in mind is different in many ways.

    Surely every experience is subjective, but maybe some western potsmokers like east religion because like weed, both are not mainstream western ideals. Sort of rebellion-reasoning.

    grover, I would call almost anything meditation really. Or at least any moment can be an opportunity to meditate. And weed is just a very potent opportunity. Potent because it alters chemicals in your brain quite substantially, leading to an altered reality, and an easier state-of-mind to cross your legs in.

    what say ye?
     

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