Why do people like Apple?

Discussion in 'Computer Science & Culture' started by Saint, Jul 8, 2011.

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  1. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

    The two people that I know with Apple computers are both seniors and their comments are that they appreciate the user friendly ease of operation. For a generation that was not raised with computers, they find the OS very intuitive. Both also mentioned internet security as another reason as they have had Apple computers from the time when the security statistics favored Apple over PC's.

    One has an Apple because her son is a professional photographer and uses one in his work. He acquired the computer for his parents so that he could also be their on-line support and tutor. Though he lives in New York, he is able to walk his mother through virtually any difficulty she encounters.

    To summarize then, ease of use, intuitive, internet security and the choice of professionals in photography and music.

    For myself, I have found HP to be reliable for my needs, as I am not a gamer and Windows 7 seems pretty user friendly to me.

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  3. ScaryMonster I’m the whispered word. Valued Senior Member

    I know someone who bought an Ipad just because it was an Apple product, he didn't even know what he wanted it for.
    He has a Mac, numerous Ipods and Iphone 4 and an Apple QuickTake camera for christ sake!
    And his attic is full of Apple stuff dating back to 1989.
    It all seems very cultish to me.
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  5. nirakar ( i ^ i ) Registered Senior Member

    Currently using "OS X", Ubuntu and Windows XP. Have used BASIC, DOS, Windows 3.1, Windows 95 and Windows 98 and pre-OSX Mac OS. I don't see a big difference in terms of performance between MAC and Windows. In General Windows is more Crash prone than Mac, Windows seems a bit like a chaotic hodge podge that kept growing by additions rather than being a carefully planed product that is fully integrated with itself.

    I hate how quickly what seemed to be perfectly good hardware and software becomes outdated and incompatible with everything current technology regardless of operating system. Technology is moving so quickly that companies race to put out the new product before they ever perfect the previous generation of products. Nothing ever gets perfected because their is not time for that. Hurry, hurry hurry get the new next thing and put the old stuff in the attic.

    I am very happy with Ubuntu though I am still somewhat of a novice and have much to learn.

    I am not a gamer. The biggest advantage that I see for Windows is that it has more software products made for it, especially games. All three operating systems seem plenty fast as long as you don't put the newer ever bloating operating systems on an old machine that can't handle all the crap the new operating systems want to run in the background. Speed comes more from the hardware than from the OS.

    I would like to be able to surf the web go to unknown and untrusted Websites. While all three OS are fast enough that becomes untrue if I am running an anti-virus program and Spybot Search and Destroy's "Tea Timer" program (which stops changes to the registry). I would not run Windows on the web without anti-virus and Tea Timer but they are resource hogs. So I have dropped web surfing with windows. I am not going to buy an overpowered machine just so that my antivirus program does not slow me down.

    My dual boot Ubantu / XP ( eee PC ) netbook is plenty powerful for most anything I might want to do except safely surf the net as a Windows Machine. No big deal because I can Surf as an Ubuntu Linux machine instead. I have several major computer infections over years as a Windows user. OS X and Ubuntu have never been infected and don't even need anti-virus protection even if you visit malicious websites. Having Javascript enabled will allow a malicious website to take over your browser in Windows Mac and Ubuntu but only Windows allows malicious websites to seriously alter the operating system.

    I understand that the Iphone OS has vulnerabilities on the web that Mac OS X does not have.

    I have no clue why Windows has fans other than for compatibility with more software. Prior yo my being open to trying Linux I thought Windows machines had a price per power advantage over Mac which is still true. Macs cost more. Linux changes things because it cost less than Windows. If there is a quickness issue then I think Ubuntu as faster than Windows and both Mac and Ubuntu are more stable than Windows.

    I heard and am happy to have not experienced that Vista was a bad release and was inferior to XP. I hear Windows 7 fixed Vista's problems.

    So what do you Windows backers think is good about Windows? Is it games? Do you only like Windows because the Mac Lovers are irritating?

    Why do people like Apple? Their products tend to be more finneshed and market ready when put out than their competors products. They have bice packaging.
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  7. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

    You stole my saying

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    (not the comment about a duck)

    Anyways, maybe we just have difference senses of humor.
  8. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

    Apple is not a computer company, they are a fashion company.
  9. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

    There was an old saying back in the day:
    "No one ever got fired for buying IBM"
    Now you could just as easily say:
    "No-one ever got laughed at for buying Apple"

    Apple is coolness itself.
  10. Believe Happy medium Valued Senior Member

    Most people I know think of Apple as wasteful (as in a waste of your money) so.....
  11. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

    Waste of money?
    How so?
  12. realitystrand Registered Member

    With an apple you can have all 3 you can load windows, you can partition and burn linux or you can do fink finkproject.org and bring open source to your mac without having to partition.

    From the fink page:
    he Fink project wants to bring the full world of Unix Open Source software to Darwin and Mac OS X. We modify Unix software so that it compiles and runs on Mac OS X ("port" it) and make it available for download as a coherent distribution. Fink uses Debian tools like dpkg and apt-get to provide powerful binary package management. You can choose whether you want to download precompiled binary packages or build everything from source. Read more...

    So apple can be = windows; Mac OSx / Unix ; Linux or fink-> open source unix if you don't want to partition for linux

    pc = can load windows and linux


    linux = linux
  13. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

    The only way Apple are arguably wasteful is that they spend as much money as it takes to make a brilliant product.
    They are probably the least corporate-minded corporation.

    The bean counters would love to get in there, and pare down spending for a year or two so they can get their bonuses.
    And ruin the company, just like they have done with so many others.
  14. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

    Mrs. Fraggle and I have been Mac lovers for more than ten years, since she got her first PowerBook. And we still love the company because their stock is doing so well. But that's based on the sales of their other products like the iPhone. We both just had to replace our old Macs because we couldn't run contemporary software, and now that we have the new Intel models (I have a Mac Mini, she has the full desktop unit, whatever model that is, probably an iMac) I must say that we're not exactly pleased.

    They're slower than our old machines, the interface is more complicated, and the new version of Microsoft Office for Mac sucks even worse than the last one. I know that's not really Apple's fault but it's still a big problem. If they want to be competitive then they need to provide some software that's compatible with Office, has a familiar interface, and doesn't crash as often. That part will be easy, Microsoft must have an entire drawer full of my trouble reports.

    Oh yeah, and somehow I pushed the wrong key a couple of weeks ago and now the thing doesn't recognize my USB thumb drive. I know it still works because I can access it on any other computer. I had to buy a different brand!

    And don't get me started on my "I hate iTunes" rant. I would really like to organize my own files!

    I have an old Windows 98 box leftover from when I was a consultant, and I find myself hauling it out and booting it more often than I'd like, in order to do things that I can't figure out how to do on the Mac.

    It seems to us that Apple is basically abandoning the market for actual computers and would rather be on top of the market for gadgets with embedded computers like the iPad. That's probably a good business strategy. As soon as our generation dies off--the people who can touch-type at sixty words per minute and would rather use a keyboard than this stupid awkward may-it-rot-in-hell little "mouse" thingie through our trifocals, much less draw on the screen with our fingers like kids in kindergarten--the market for actual computers will probably be limited to business applications and the concept of the "personal" computer will be obsolete.

    So in the meantime I'll have to become a Windows expert again. I hope the Windows half of my computer works better than the OS/X half!
  15. kwhilborn Banned Banned

    Nobody has mentioned that Mac syystems earned their niche market in society with High end graphical interfaces. They were much more expensive, but you'd have been foolish to operate photoshop or printing company quality photo manipulation type programming with a pc.

    Macs were the industry standard.

    Macs were probably always better than pc's.

    If you have not watched the movie "Silicon Valley", then at least have a look at this one scene between Steve Jobs and Bill gates about the start of Windows.

    Many people do not realize Windows was copied from a mac.

    here is the scene.. (notice Bill gates wearing Apple shirt. lol)
  16. river-wind Valued Senior Member

    I like them because I'm a geek, but I don't like messing around with stuff if I don't have too; particularly when it breaks for no good reason. For years, this meant avoiding the regestry, .ini files, IRQ numbers, etc. i.e., Windows.

    These days, Windows is lightyears better than it used to be, and Win7 is actually a useful system that doesn't make me want to throw the machine out the window. OSX, however, is UNIX. Linux is free, but having used Ubuntu on a few machines, I find myself spending way too much time editing systems files and compiling code from source. I love apt, but like many things in GNU/Linux it's just not self-discoverable.

    I code all day at work, and then code more when at home for game dev and other projects. I don't want to have to spend any more time mucking around in the guts of the system than I have to. OSX's problem recovery is still among the best balance of power and ease of use of any of the major systems available today.

    I also travel a lot for work, and there does not exist a Mac Book Air competitor at the $1000 price range (yet - see the ultrabook article I link below). I need something that can handle Office documents, Photoshop, development environments of various sorts, and weigh as little as possible. Linux is really close, as is the Samsung 9 series (basically a MBA clone), but the thing costs almost twice as much.

    Plus, as has already been mentioned, I can run Windows via VMWare, integrating Windows apps with my mac apps, or booting into windows to run games as I have the time.

    This is for a very specific reason - what happens when you cut a document from one place, then forget and copy another document? Within document-centric applications, data cut and than over-written int he clipboard like this is lost forever. For file managers like explorer.exe in Windows, it would be dangerous to loose data like that, so they do the exact opposite :they put the first file back like it had never been cut.

    "Cut" as a file operation is a bad idea, and duck-taping together inconsistent cut/paste behavior to avoid its dangers isn't all that much better. However, having this sort of functionality via context menu would be good to have (even with OSX's superior dragging functionality like auto-popup and auto-close windows), though it needs to be implemented as an intelligent "Move file(s)" operation.

    These people do exist. Many of us, however use the systems because of more tangible benefits.



    Also, try command-clicking on a window's title bar. You get the folder hierarchy as a drop-down list, making file management easier. Also, quicklook - hit space to get a full screen preview of a file. Or expose to swap windows using the actual windows contents to pick (Window's Flip3d mimic this functionality, but does so while obscuring the window contents, lessening it's usefulness). Or a large number of nice features.

    Photo editing, TV and other video editing, print houses, Java dev conferences all have substantial mac presence. What is it that you're wanting to do but can't? Mac are more expensive than PC's, but much of the perceived difference isn't real: Apple don't offer a low-end system, so comparing baseline $300 Dells with a Turion or Centrino or Pentium or Atom low-end CPUs with the bottom of the line Mac Mini with a Core i5 isn't a real price comparison.

    Once the actual hardware is compared, you'll find about a 10-15% price premium for the mid-range Apple systems compared with Dell/HP/Lenovo. I find the system and the quality of the construction to be worth that much. If you don't want to pay for an ISP LED-lit LCD, however, you'll save lots of money by buying a cheaper Dell - but the price comparison isn't about Apple anymore, its about what you're willing to pay for a certain product.

    At the high end (workstations), the price advantage switches between Apple (after a new refresh) back to Dell, HP, et all after Apple's systems have stagnated for 9 months. Our head of programming saved the company $600 two years ago by buying a Mac Pro instead of a Dell workstation.

    For ultra-portable fully functional systems (i.e.: not a netbook), the windows-based competitors are all 25% to 100% more expensive than Apple's offerings

    If it has a built-in screen, it's an iMac. If it is a tower and uses an external screen, it's a Mac Pro workstation.

    That seems odd. Further troubleshooting would be warranted - simply hitting a key should not render the thumbdrive unreadable; certainly not requiring buying a new thumbdrive!

    In iTunes preferences, uncheck the option called "allow iTunes to manage my files".

    iTunes needs to be re-written from the ground up, though. And the Music/movie/tv show store needs to be broken out into its own application. iTunes is doing way too much at this point.

    Sadly, I've got a bit of the same impression. Apple's famous for making computers easier to use for the majority, but that has often come at a cost for more advanced users. OSX (what I assume made your new macs more complicated) is a step the other way - full UNIX with a proper command line, tons of dev tools, etc - but Lion's new iOS type interfaces don't just seem like a simplification - they feel like a dumbing down.

    I'm sorry to hear that. But at least the latest version of Windows is pretty good. They finally even got rid of the Win3.1 Font Add dialog box, and even detached warning beep from the old floppy disk hardware - no more uncontrollably loud BEEP when the hardware throws an error.

    Give OSX a chance. It is different than OS9 and before - non-spacial finder, true multitasking (which can result in the feeling of slower response to user actions, but makes for a generally more usable machine), etc, but I've come to like it. Quick preview, spotlight, etc are *really*,*really* useful to have as built-in options. and the additional power of the system over the Classic Mac OS is undeniable.
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2011
  17. Believe Happy medium Valued Senior Member

    You mean besides paying nearly 2x the amount for the same configuration in a laptop?
  18. mrsmart Registered Member

    are you saying that it does not do anything for you or are you candidly saying this over a price issue

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  19. sifreak21 Valued Senior Member

    everyone here is right apple is tinker free user friendly and a complete pile of shit when it comes to anything other than writing reports and amature video editing.. outside of that PC can do everything a mac can do cheaper and better
  20. sifreak21 Valued Senior Member

    if your asking how so its not worth wasting time explaining it to you
  21. river-wind Valued Senior Member

    3 monitors, virtual desktops, plus Parralles running Win7 in a VM; dragging a file between OSX and Windows across virtual desktops.


    Also works for Linux VMs (no video of this, though).
  22. phlogistician Banned Banned

    Oh dear no. Jobs deconstructed the World Wide Web, and sells it back to people in App sized chunks. That's corporate whoredom extraordinaire.

    He takes a slice of all content served through iTunes, and tries to force publishers to use that method to update their news apps. That also is whoredom.

    They also use factories in China which have used child labour. That is corporate whoredom.

    Apple are the same shit in a more expensive box.
  23. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

    I actually really liked iTunes itself, but ended up uninstalling it because it required Quicktime, and Quicktime (at least on Windows) is a total deal-breaker. I'm still convinced that it's just some kind of marketting gimmick to get you to buy a Mac instead, since it doesn't seem to do anything on Windows except raep your system to death.

    But organizing big archives of mp3's is so 1990s. Nowadays we have internet radio like Pandora, which I can just bring up on my smartphone any time, anywhere.

    It's not that the computers are going anywhere, it's that there isn't much profit in it any more. When you've got half a dozen Asian companies crowding the sector, the margins go way down. Also notice that HP is running away from that market, IBM jumped out years ago, etc. If Asus and Lenovo want to sell PCs for 1/4 the margin that Apple and IBM used to get, they can go right ahead - we'll get cheaper, better computers, and Apple and IBM can focus on their strengths (appliance/gizmos and business/server end stuff, respectively).
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