Why do many Americans believe in God?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Saint, Jan 1, 2016.

  1. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    It seems that everybody believes in that which they do not know.

    Some believe in a "GOD" which is the motive organizing force in/of the universe, and ultimately, us.
    Some believe that all of the universe and this marvelous shared co-evolutionary biom is the result of random events.

    And, ultimately, we all make these choices out of ignorance.

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  3. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    No one believes that.
     
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  5. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Ok, then
    You know some of(one of, all of, a few of, 1 or 2 of...etc.) the causal factors involved?
     
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  7. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Evolution isn't random. It's a common misconception. So I would word it this way:
    Some believe a god created and micromanages all things, others believe that reality is a complex cascade of cause and effect, the origins of which are largely unknown.
     
  8. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    "random mutations" isn't that the common conception?
    implies a definition of "god".
    True?
    AMEN

    unknown origins or an unknowable, indefinable "god"
    Is there really much of a difference?

    There are known knowns,
    known unknowns,
    and unknown unknowns.
    For many, ignorance of ignorance ain't really much of a bother.

    Perhaps, the answer lies within, or is limited by the question?
     
  9. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Mutations alone aren't evolution.
    Yes, the one you suggested.
    You worship something unknown? Is that even possible?
     
  10. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Faith is tricky. You don't believe you know, you not know, you how.
     
  11. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Of course not, the ones that survive are, but the process starts with a random event(or does it?)

    I have never, and will never attempt a definition of "GOD"! And, even if I did, i certainly wouldn't share it.

    You presume too much.
     
  12. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Faith is a test of oneself within in the absence of knowledge. Langan says we can dispense with it though, now that he's proven God. But even he still needs faith in certain things in the absence of knowledge.
     
  13. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    Langan has proven God?

    Which God, and how?
     
  14. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.

    Real.

    Logic and empiricism.
     
  15. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Apparently. Otherwise there wouldn't be people trying to tell us what this unknowable, indefinable "god" wants us to do.
     
  16. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Too late, you already said God is necessary for micromanaging life and the universe. That's a partial definition.
     
  17. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    You said that, not me.
     
  18. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    CTMU:
    Roughly: The universe as a self creating, self regulating self contained entity that requires nothing outside of it's self to exist.
    Then, call that concept "GOD"
    hmm
    ok
    And before the universe was the universe?

    We see midpoints and some think them beginnings.

    unknown unknowns abound
     
  19. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    OK, you said: "Some believe in a "GOD" which is the motive organizing force in/of the universe..." That is in opposition to natural organizing forces, such as evolution. And it is a definition of sorts, one that can be tested.
     
  20. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    is also a definition of sorts
     
  21. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    Can we do experiment to Test whether a person is a True Christian?
    Setting up the experimental procedure, analytical method, expected outcome.
    If you fulfill the criteria, then you are a Christian.
     
  22. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    I was baptized before, but I renounced my faith in 2002.
    However, sometimes I go to Church also,
    does that make me a Christian?
     
  23. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Natural organizing forces are fairly well known. I write algorithms to reproduce these manifestations computationally. It may seem like magic, but often, complex results can be created using a combination of simple rules.
     

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