Why Do Intellectuals Oppose Capitalism?

Discussion in 'Business & Economics' started by kmguru, Jan 3, 2008.

  1. kmguru Staff Member

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    The economists are not Capitalists, They have never got their hands dirty to dig a hole or produce a gadget or draw a bluprint or pour concrete or press clothes. They are basically bean counters who tell you what you are doing wrong and how to fix it - which in the long run does not work because they have never been part of the producing group to understand what it takes to run a country.

    Take for example, every product we had produced to make this country a great country is now being produced in China. While the economist will get up in the morning to go to the University, one day the average Joe will have no place to go to build stuff for sale. Yes in a short time we still need the mechanics to fix Chinese made motorcycles that break down, because they are not as good quality as Japanese one (This is happening in Iraq)...but soon that too will change.

    Then the economist will say, I told you, you should have put a big tariff some 15 years ago. By then the county will change its name to New Argentina.

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  3. w1z4rd Valued Senior Member

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    Problem with Capitalism is there are no limits and it thrives on exploitation. Any human that condones that is pretty sick.
     
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  5. kmguru Staff Member

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    Exploitation is given. Too much, it kills the golden goose. Too little, you become Africa. Just right, you become Sweden, land of Ingas...

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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The US was founded by intellectuals, who fomented revolt among the underclasses against colonial capitalism.

    The capitalists involved were the colonial English - the Revolution involved a collective debt repudiation by a bunch of freeloaders who didn't want to pay rent and work out their contracted indentures and so forth. They nationalized a bunch of private property, and gave themselves "free land", and never paid their bills.

    If you read about the Boston Tea Party, for example, you can find a list of the buildings attacked and burned - the houses of the rich capitalistic businessmen, mostly. The rioters knew their enemy.

    Be interesting to see the Mexicans who are mowing Sandy's lawn decide they own it, and start putting up shacks and planting corn.
     
  8. John99 Banned Banned

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    Capitalism is human nature, anyone who tells you any different has something up their sleeve.
     
  9. desi Valued Senior Member

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    Your focus on rich and poor motive betrays your inability to see the vast spectrum of reasoning in which most people live. George Washington was a farmer who picked up a rifle. He wasn't president of x y z university. His peers were much the same. As for wealthy people taking land... Everyone took as much land as they pleased. After shooting or scaring away the local indians the land was theirs.
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States

    The men listed above, who wrote the Constitution under which we live, were by and large intellectuals. Most of them were lawyers, some were doctors (an intellectual occupation at that time), a couple were theologians, a couple were scientists.

    They were not (except for Washington, who was a surveyor from an estate and married great wealth, not a "farmer") among the most wealthy landowners or businessmen - the most wealthy men of the colonies, the major capitalists who paid big taxes, were loyal to the Crown.

    Several of them were associated with universities (president, treasurer, on the board of regents, etc) and publishing or printing operations (Franklin, etc)and several others not present but important were as well. A respected early founder of Princeton University was among the Founders not present, some officials of Yale figured prominently, and of course radical intellectuals such as Thomas Paine were very important in the Revolution.

    They were the most bookish, intellectual men of the Colonies. The laws that set them at war with England were not so much taxes, but other oppressions. Look up the Intolerable Acts - not a tax law among them.
    Not the wealthy taking land, but the poor, was the striking feature of the American Revolution. And they took it not only from the Indians but from the British Crown and British capitalists who owned it. They simply squatted on the land, and refused to be removed.

    The intellectuals fomented an uprising of the Scotch Irish and other smallholders and peasants, and in the end got more than they bargained for.
     
  11. Pandaemoni Valued Senior Member

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    As to the founders, most of what I've read suggests that they were good old fashioned mercantilists, rather than capitalists (in the modern sense).

    I've not heard many people say that they weren't intellectuals. If Madison, Jefferson, Adams, Jay, Franklin, Hamilton, and the other "idea men" who designed the government weren't intellectuals, then I'd have to guess that American had no intellectuals at all.
     
  12. kmguru Staff Member

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    According to Wiki:

    There are, broadly, three modern definitions at work in discussions about intellectuals. First, “intellectuals” as those deeply involved in ideas, books, and the life of the mind. Second, “intellectuals” as a recognizable occupational class consisting of lecturers, professors, lawyers, doctors, engineers, scientists, etc. Third, “cultural intellectuals” are those of notable expertise in culture and the arts, expertise which allows them some cultural authority, which they then use to speak in public on other matters.


    I think, it is the cultural Intellectuals and certain professors, journalists, writers, commentators who do not have any business background but reap the benefit of Capitalism, that hate Capitalism.

    The founders were idea people and did extremely well setting up the structure that made USA the economic giant today. Similar group in Australia in a virgin place did not - though Australia still did pretty good.
     
  13. USS Exeter unamerican american Registered Senior Member

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    You are correst and that's why I choose Socialism.
     
  14. Pandaemoni Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know many lawyers, doctors, engineers or scientists who are deeply anti-capitalism, so are we now to limit the definition to professors and lecturers? (In fact, of the professors and lecturers I know, I'd suggest that a majority support "capitalism with regulation.")

    Decrying the excesses and shortcomings of capitalism, is not the same thing as denouncing the whole system.
     
  15. Chatha big brown was screwed up Registered Senior Member

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    Tiger woods walks around on green lawn (sometimes in a cart) and hits a ball around, who is poised to be the first billionaire athlete by 2010, while some people work all their life and can't do that. Thats fucked. Just a though.
     
  16. kmguru Staff Member

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    May be he worked on it since age 4?
     
  17. Chatha big brown was screwed up Registered Senior Member

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    You've got to be kidding me. The number of people that watch golf is very little, and more people derive happiness from basketball and soccer than golf. Basketball and soccer also requires actual physical exercise. Giving millions to Tiger is saying it takes more smarts to play golf than any other mainstream sport. Kmguru, I KNOW you are an intelligent guy, do you really think it takes that much more smarts to play golf? Golf is filled with controlled variables-that means once the weather and wind stay relatively stable you are home sweet home, unlike basketball when you never know what the defense will do next. And even if we are talking about intelligence, then Bobby Fischer and Gary Kasparov's combined wealth should equal the whole Easten Europe's. Capitalism sometimes leaves one in utter awe.
     
  18. kmguru Staff Member

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    Golf can be played by anyone better than anyone playing Piano. That is because it is more of a hand eye cordination and intteligence has nothing to do with it...may be 90 would work. I am not exactly sure, what point you are making...People shower money because they have nothing better to do with thier money or time. Look at the Wrestling matches - it is supposed to be for kids, but adults get really serious. And the marketing aspects are all business to separate your money from your wallet.

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  19. Chatha big brown was screwed up Registered Senior Member

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    since we are talking about hand eye cordination I'l like to introduce you to my friends, thier names are Volleyball, Tennis, Baseball, Cricket, e.t.c. Why does golf have to be the leader of hand eye cordination sports, is it supposed to be some kind of joke? I really don't have a point, like I said, its just a thought. I actually like capitalism but irresponsible capitalism is something to laugh about. However we must accept that golf is a high brew, high life game, watched mostly by the corporations who sponsore it.
     
  20. kmguru Staff Member

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    Comparing Golf swings to other games is like apples and oranges. Given a populus camera, anyone can take a good picture without mechanical assistance. But try using a 300mm or 500mm lense in an SLR, the game changes. I hope you get it....gotta run...
     
  21. Chatha big brown was screwed up Registered Senior Member

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    what are you trying to say? That the hand eye cordinaion in golf is more delicate? Can you prove that? Okay lets assume Tiger has great hand eye codination, which he does, does that mean he can make a three point shot? Does that mean he can make a three point shot while some 6 feet guy has his hands blocking him? Does it mean he can make a soccer goal from a direct free kick 40m away? Or can Tiger hit a tennis ball right along the side line to leave the opponent struggling? Or can he throw a football with precision and accuracy like quaterback do under pressure? My point is every game is different, with none more better or delicate than the other. Tiger is just benefiting from a corporate sponsorship and culture associated with his sport. And I have to also add that he is a very good player.
     
  22. kmguru Staff Member

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    You answered your own question. There is no need for me to expound....

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  23. kmguru Staff Member

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    Just happened this morning. A friend of mine is helping Africans to spread the Capitalism and teach wealth creation in a holistic way such that poor are elevated too...including microcredit etc,

    So, his friends who work at University of Nevada asked the University higherups for help to teach and develop workshops etc., which in turn would have helped the University as a progressive institution and brought Prestige.

    The reply - oh! we can not get involved in a thing like that.
     

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