Why do ghosts wear human clothes?

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  1. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    And once more, I direct you to the fact that human perception is incredibly adept at picking out patterns, putting two and two together and getting fish - a proven psychological fact.

    EMF Meters:
    http://www.livescience.com/4261-shady-science-ghost-hunting.html

    So, right off the bat, we have a peddler of "ghost hunting" equipment ADMITTING that none of it can conclusively detect a ghost... charming.

    Plus:
    https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4081

    So... simply put, just by having other electrical items in proximity, those EMF meters are, in essence, worthless. Plus, what on a ghost would be electromagnetic?

    Infrared Thermometers:
    https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4081
    So... the claim that an infrared thermometer can detect a ghost is absurd... it needs a physical thing to get a reading from; a smokey substance in the air simply won't do it!

    Various Cameras:
    Now, given that everything from TV remotes to night-vision security cameras emit infrared spectrum... plus, again, what on a ghost would be emitting infrared?

    As far as audio recordings:
    How, exactly, would this audio equipment pick up an inaudible ghost noise when it is designed to work on the same principles as our ears?
     
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  3. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Red Herring, not to mention blatant intellectual dishonesty. We are aware of the world outside our house (well, those of us with the mentality greater than a 2 year old and who have this little thing called Object Permanence) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_permanence
    Just because it is outside our field of view at the time, we are still aware it exists. Any rational person can understand the difference between what is beyond the wall of their house vs what is beyond our ability to detect in the universe. But, hell, lets make it even simpler - what is happening out of our solar system has, essentially, zero bearing on our lives, and thus is not part of our reality - or, do you really spend your time cowering in fear at the prospect that a rogue black hole could hurtle through the cosmos and bisect our galaxy, drawing our planets from their orbits and essentially killing us all?

    You have yet to present ANY good evidence.
    Red herring - I've not attempted to assert that my beliefs are real, physical, or in any way correct, where as you have repeatedly asserted that ghosts are real, UFO's are real, and aliens really like to abduct people.
    Actually, quite sound - a personally held belief is just that. You, on the other hand, are attempting to claim your beliefs as fact.


    Oh, I do own my actions, and you are psychotic. The holes were poked long ago (such as your whole bigfoot debacle, or perhaps you need a refresher in your dangerous anti-vaccination bulshit?) ; like the typical intellectual DELINQUENT you are, you waited a while for people to forget, then started making the same asinine claims.

    Need I remind you:
    You are the very model of a troll.

    Oh dear, it seems that example was too difficult for you to comprehend... or, you are intentionally avoiding the point. How terribly boring.

    Face facts MR - the only thing Magical about you is your imagination. You have zero ability to debate a topic with facts and evidence, and when you get backed into a corner by opposing evidence, you start putting people on ignore and refusing to answer their questions. I have witnessed five year olds giving better debates. Give it a rest - nobody is buying your bullshit.
     
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  5. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Reported for insults, flaming, and trolling.
     
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  7. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Oh wahh, looks like someone is upset he's been called out on his bullshit...

    Guess what bucko - tough. If you are going to act like a fool, you are going to be treated as a fool, and nobody with an ounce of sense is going to come to your defense.

    PS - thanks for proving my above accusations to be 100% on point - when you can't kick and scream your way out of being caught up in your dishonesty, you get angry and try to deflect. Not happening - your bullshit is in the spotlight for all to see
     
  8. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Funny how you just quoted him saying:

    "Whenever you locate one, a ghost might be present.... any erratic EMF fluctuations you may detect may indicate ghostly activity."

    No..the emf detectors spike when there are no electrical items in proximity and in areas where there is no power. I've already posted several instances of this in this thread.

    Then why are infrared images of full bodies picked up in investigations? See the example I've posted in post 603.

    Those things aren't present in the haunted locations. These are usually powerless old prisons, santitariums, asylums, cemeteries, battlefields and deserted old mansions.

    As far as audio recordings:

    Who knows? It just does..


    You can't "pick out" an enunciated sentence in response to your question, a scream down a hallway, a conversation going on in an empty room, a child's singing in a deserted reformatorium, or heavy booted footsteps in the attic. These things are confirmed over and over by human ears and audio recorders.
     
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  9. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Back to ignore..You're not going to get another one of my lively threads shut down with your trollish insults and hysterical ranting..
     
  10. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    The only one who gets your threads shut down is you, through your utter lack of actual evidence and inability to acknowledge even a basic scientific process.

    Again, thanks for proving exactly what I was saying - when you get faced with overwhelming evidence showing you are wrong, you take to ignoring it. It is a delicious bit of intellectual dishonesty - I can only assume it is allowed to continue as some form of jester-like entertainment.
     
  11. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    And yet he goes on to say it is not conclusive.

    So... how are they recording these EMF detectors spiking? How are they recording these "ghostly moans"? On a stone tablet? Maybe with carbon paper?

    Obviously the equipment picked up a signature of that form on a wall or other object. You cannot ignore the simple way this equipment is designed to work.

    Then explain why a ghost would supposedly be giving off this spectrum - the premise alone makes no sense.



    Then I submit that, for my belief in God (or anyone else's belief in anything) that "it just does" is, apparently, sufficient evidence.

    Yes, you can - it's very easy. You are expecting and hoping to hear something in response - thus, you hear it. Self fulfilling prophecy, clustering illusion, and Observer-expectancy effect, with a dash of confirmation bias and/or bandwagon effect.

    See above - to make matters worse, what evidence do you have that these "ghost hunters" are not fabricating or adding the more supposedly audible signals in edit? After all, they have motivation - money is a POWERFUL motivator (and if you don't believe the people on shows like "Ghost Hunters" aren't making a mint from that production, then I have some wonderful ocean front property in Colorado to sell you.

    Once more, Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem. Occams razor - the simplest answer (which, in this instance, is also backed by the most visible and available evidence) is the best answer.
     
  12. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    just sell him a bridge(george c. parker)
     
  13. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    That's a pretty bold claim that just because paranormal investigations are televised then they must be faked. Do you have an evidence for that claim? It must have escaped the media who would've been all over stories of these programs being faked. Do you have any testimony from the scores of ex-employees who left the show for various reasons saying that the show was totally faked? I don't think you do. And I'm not about to dismiss good evidence based on the faulty assumption that because it is televised it is faked. Too many good reality shows like "Mythbusters" and "Man Vs. Wild" and "Survivor" and "Naked and Afraid" hang in the balance.
     
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  14. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Certainly - it is a far simpler explanation (and fits with what is accepted and proven by scientists with years of actual research and study) that some of the so called "ghost hunters" that are less scrupulous would take such simple steps in order to boost ratings... after all, imagine how very boring Ghost Hunters would be if, in every episode, the "super spoopy ghosties" were revealed to actually be the mundane happenings they more than likely are... it wouldn't make for good television! And yet, you are trying to pass them off as documentary.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Hunters#Accusations_of_staging_evidence

    It didn't... they have been torn a new asshole over it... several times! Including by other "paranormal experts":


    Yes, actually; from Donna Lacroix, former member and case manager of Ghost Hunters and Ghost Hunters International...
    http://www.ghosttheory.com/2009/11/16/donna-lacroix-talks-secrets-behind-ghost-hunters
    Also of note:
    http://www.masslive.com/television/index.ssf/2009/11/donna_lacroix_debunks_the_ghos.html
    Oh, and more!

    Hardly seems like an "up and up" outfit
     
  15. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Man vs Wild is faked/staged...

    http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20424061,00.html
    Do note, this is the same Bear Grylls that:
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/island-fake-bear-grylls-show-3548495

    Survivor is also equally staged... do you REALLY think they would be able to risk someones lives?

    http://www.today.com/popculture/last-secrets-survivor-revealed-2D80554451

    Even Survivorman is staged to an extent (although for most of that, Les Stroud is, at least, on his own, as opposed to surrounded by a camera crew)
    http://www.w3courses.com/les-stroud-survivorman-fake-many-clips-created-gain-viewers
     
  16. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    So... once more - now that you can peruse the readily-available evidence yourself that things are not what they may appear... what evidence do you have that ANY of this is "real", and not done up pretty for good ratings? Remember, this IS a television show - if people don't watch it, they get canned, so of COURSE they need to make it look good!
     
  17. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    LOL! I was using those as examples. In any case you present no evidence those shows are faked. And no Survivor isn't faked just because there's cameramen with them. Where's your evidence that paranormal investigator shows such as Ghost Hunters and Ghost Adventures are faked. I've checked. There's no evidence those shows are faked. Oh and I read that interview with Donna. Remember this?

    "When asked if she noticed anything being ‘faked’ she replied that she hadn’t"

    That's good enough for me! Oh, and further clarification:

    "First of all it’s important to know that Donna Lacroix actually stated in her “tell all” interview that she never saw any evidence faked. She said that “they would have hid that from her”. Many people have pointed to this interview as the ultimate evidence that Ghost Hunters Is Fake. But in reality..She never said it. Also it is important to know that as the original case manager for T.A.P.S., she was admittedly bitter over how she ended up. (Which is broke and living with her parents) while Jason and Grant seemed to be set for life. So it is easy to dismiss anything Lacroix says as simple bitterness and spite. It can be easily passed off as nothing more than a purposeful attempt to discredit T.A.P.S. Ghost Hunters." - See more at: http://mostlyghosts.com/ghost-hunters-real-or-fake/#sthash.aRXaSON4.dpuf

    There's also a nasty false story circulating about Ghost Adventures. So don't even quote that lie:

    http://www.examiner.com/list/news-r...t-adventures-cast-member-being-fired-is-false
     
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  18. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Since when is gravity not repeatable in a lab?

    Darwin didn't have to repeat it himself. The whole point is that other people can repeat his observations. YOU could do the same science and - if you did it honestly - you'd come up with the same results.

    The same can not be said for paranormal "research". A priori belief is a prerequisite. You see what you want to see.
     
  19. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Has any scientist been able to create gravity in a lab? No..


    Right..which proves my point. Not all phenomena need to be repeated to acknowledge they are real. Evolution wasn't repeated when Darwin discovered it. Likewise the paranormal doesn't need to be repeated to study it.

    Actually many times the same phenomena are encountered at the same locations. Many people hear the same voices or experience the same disturbances in certain rooms. Thus it is a repeating phenomena, though not one that is specifically repeatable.
     
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    Don't be silly. Scientists can't create a tree in the lab either but they can damn well observe trees and figure out how they work. Same with gravity. NOT the same with ghosts.

    Yes they do. Evolution certainly has been repeated since Darwin.

    The same people making the same observations over and over again is often confirmation bias. To be repeatable to the satisfaction of science, a skeptic would have to be able to make the same observations. Instead, we have skeptics giving alternative explanations and you laughing at them.
     
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  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Ghosts are *personal imaginings of the past*
     
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    Is that right ; so what of the past ; a ghost of which you have no knowledge of appears
     
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