Why did we stop inventing gods?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Greatest I am, Aug 13, 2016.

  1. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    I can respect humanist values without taking on their label.

    There are benefits to being in a free thinking religion. You forget that one of the main reasons that religions exist is fellowship.

    That is one of the problems of being and atheist or agnostic. Little to no fellowship. Mind you, atheists seem to recognize that they will lose many of their children to religions because of fellowship and they are beginning to form atheist churches.

    Call yourself what you prefer and allow me to d0 the same.

    Regards
    DL
     
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  3. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Better to ask a Gnostic what he believes and not go by hearsay without the background.

    "is the way to salvation of the soul from the material world."

    To this nonsense, we say.

    Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
    If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
    Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
    [Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
    But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

    If we are in the best of all possible worlds, given all the conditions to date, and that is irrefutable, then why do we need saving from it?

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    "the realisation of Gnosis (esoteric or intuitive knowledge)"

    This we do believe in but not for salvation from this heaven but possibly salvation from being less astute about reality.



    Go within yourself and you will recognize that you are the only god you can ever know.

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    DL
     
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  5. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Are you knowable to yourself. Yes you are.

    Will you be the same you tomorrow. No because you will evolve.

    Being a Gnostic Christian means that the god you find within you, you set aside, raise the bar of your expectation and seek anew. Being a Gnostic Christian is to be a perpetual seeker so that we do not become idol worshipers of the god we have found.

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    DL
     
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  7. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Hmm, since the public definition apparently varies so much from "your" definition wouldn't it have been a good idea to say what you meant by it?

    My cat would - seriously - beg to differ.
     
  8. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    He is speaking primarily about Christianity and I agree with him.

    So did the ancient Gnostics who invented our myths to put against the much less intelligent Christian one.

    We gave more respect to the Jewish thinking before Christianity usurped the Jewish myth.

    For instance, Jews see man gaining a moral sense in Eden as our elevation while Christians call that great leap in education and wisdom a fall.

    Gnostic Christians follow the Jewish line and reject the Christian line.

    Which do you think is the best way to think of Eden.

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  9. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    I don't.
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Hmmmmmm, just could not find a definition of Eden. I did find the name *Gardens of Eden", but it gave no directions, how to get there.
    So what does Christianity have to do with this? I am confident that as atheist, I have lived a more ethical life than millions of self-proclaimed Christians. I built my own log-cabin and lived among the trees for 10 years. I must admit, those were the happiest years of my life.
     
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  11. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Not really. His version of god, as the best example he can follow is his own Father Complex.

    Jung and Freud's Father Complex is who or what you query when going inside to seek the best example of who you should follow.

    As to my beliefs, they are too many to just arbitrarily pick one to talk up.

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  12. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Strange that you do not denounce the misogynistic Christian view.

    I guess that equality is something you do not care about.

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    DL
     
  13. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Christianity's homophobic and misogynous morality is not hard to best.

    Most would beat it naturally if Christianity and other backward thinking religions stoped teaching that those immoral positions are good.

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  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Unfortunately Religions do not use the word Theory, which in Science is amenable to new knowledge.

    Religious Scripture is "Divine Truth" and not subject to revision. Though I must commend the Catholic Church for admitting that Evolution has been recognized by the church as fact. It took a couple of hundred years, but at least there was a little "give". Of course it was qualified that Evolution does not contradict Creationism?
     
  15. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Follow?
    Why would I want to do that?

    Uh, what?
    You asked "Which do you think is the best way to think of Eden?".
    I don't think there's a "best way to Eden" since don't have any belief in Eden, and, in addition, I'm unaware that there are any ways to get there.
    That sorta makes deciding on the "best way" slightly problematic.

    Then you guessed wrong.
     
  16. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Divine Truth while at the same time they say that God is unknowable.
    That seems like a contradiction but that must be my poor thinking. It can't possibly be poor delusional Christian thinking. No way.

    True that Christianity mostly accepts evolution. This allowed for a new term. God of the Gaps. Yahweh is getting smaller and smaller.

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  17. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks for this.

    Regards
    DL
     
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  18. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    But isn't a religious ''fellowship'' built on a great many peoples' belief in a god.
    You like the company of those Christians, and at the same time attempt to kick their god from under them.
    Each to his own.
    Honest fellowship? I'm not saying the following is your position.
    This reminds me of the clergy (there's some in most ranks of clergy), which like to say trendy things like '' well, you don't have to believe in God or Jesus to be a Christian. But, please keep donating because someone has to feed and house my family and I, and this great fellowship of God believers are very convenient for that purpose''.

    You do know there are honest Humanism fellowships.
     
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  19. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Belief or just pretending as most do to stay in their group. Peer pressure is always around.

    Eh. No. I like free thinkers more than sheeple.

    Absolutely, but few of an organized type.

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    DL
     
  20. river

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    You do not your Gnostic history ; where it came from etc.

    Gnostic's were NOT christian at all . they were an advanced knowledge based people . In Alexandria , Egypt .

    They ; these christians ; destroyed Alexandria .
     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Hypatia of Alexandria may have been one of the early gnostics.

    http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Hypatia_of_Alexandria
     
  22. river

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    Hypatia ; was in the very end of Alexandria.

    She was torn apart by these so called christians .

    and after Her death ; Alexandria was destroyed by fire . by christians .
     
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  23. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    You've claimed this before.
    Citation needed.
     

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